Ran into Karen Putnam, aka Flower of the Flames, at the American Royal, and she was nice enough to share some of her rub AND sauce with me and a friend. Real good stuff!! Also like Bad Byrons Butt Rub, the t-shirt get's alot ot attention at work from the women. heh heh. Gave my smokette to a co-worker and he has turned into a mad scientist making new rubs and sauces. Now all I have to do is get him to buy a new computer and start sharing with everyone.