Actually the ones I did were just the Johnsonville Brauts fresh No Cure. They had a all-the-way thru smoke ring when I was thru and were wonderful. I've done homemade brauts from the high mountain cure, but the cure had way too much salt and they were 'very red' like hotlinks. I did not like them. The only hotdogs I've smoked were store bought. Maybe I'll get around to making some homemade ones, especially now that I have my own pork factory.