Thanks for the replies. I talked to Karen today reference her meatloaf recipe (I immediately got the impression she doesn't get a lot of calls about it). She was pleasant, and helpful. The packs of crackers refer to the standard packs in a box of saltines. As far a the jalapenos are concerned, just cut them up and add them to the mix (we agreed that it wasn't rocket science, although not far from it for me). So I will just add what I want and see how it turns out. I want to smoke them out of the pan like XROD showed in his meatloaf pics. And don't want it to be so moist that it won't hold together. To be continued.