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We have a Henny Penny holding unit with temp and humidity controls.
Doesn't wrapping defeat the purpose of the humidity. Why wrap pulled pork, bake beans, ribs, etc when the unit is operating say at 170 with humidity options from 25-95%?

Any comments, suggestions, appreciated. I'm sure I'll figure it out, but help welcome. THANKS!!
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Originally posted by jcohen1005:
Smokin, that is exactly what Fast Eddie


He mentioned to wrap in foil in the CVAP?

Thanks. I'll check into it, there's always multiple methods, I can only go with what I know.

New flash. I will be working as one of the instructors this year and we'll discuss this. My preference from two years in the restaurant was nothing was wrapped. We did hold the butts in 1/3 pans in the CVAP just to capture the juices and pulled to order.
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HA4507

Tuff;
We love the Henny Penny HHC 980. We hold all meats and sides hot, 24-48 hours. We might start cooling some meats and reheating, but during the day, 8:00 am to 10:00 PM, our unit is the bomb. We just finished with Friends and Family, and it was not uncommon have all shelves full, with back up hotel pans for the line. Mac N Cheese, Bake Beans, Collard Greens, Split Chickens, Ribs, Pulled Pork and pans of portioned Brisket. Get the biggest unit you can't afford. You can never have to much holding or refrigeration capacity.
Tuff;
Good luck in YOUR venture. This forum has a deep knowledge base. If you can, try to make a Cookshack Workshop. Best advice, at the end of the day, it's about the numbers. I hope you have a real good relationship with your bank, accountant, attorney and a HR person. We all love BBQ, but business is business, unless you have a zillion dollars and this is just a way to get you out of the house. Drop me a PM anytime, or give me a ring at 724-815-8746. Like us on FB to stay up to date on current events. May the 4th be with you(tomorrow).
Smokin, we've held sides/meats over night, sometimes thru the following dinner. We only served three days last week. Will probably cool down some foods near future, but most of the food turns pretty quickly. Talking to the CVAP people, they feel that holding hot(145 +) has the advantage of reducing shrinkage, vs, cooling, reheating. It's a work in progress, I'll keep you post.
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Originally posted by jcohen1005:
... they feel that holding hot(145 +) has the advantage of reducing shrinkage, vs, cooling, reheating. It's a work in progress, I'll keep you post.


While it may be technically capable there are other potential issues at hand, that's why I mentioned it.

If you go to your Health Dept, most of them have regulations regarding how long you can/should hold food at holding temp before you have to heat it to 165 again.

Our HD has come in to look for that exact thing first thing in the morning (a 6am/7am visit) to check on procedures.

Shoot it won't be an issue, you'll sell out everyday Smiler
Getting a Winston CVAP is definitely not overkill. I started using one over past month, and will be adding more. We are already fighting for space in it. My first one is a half height I found used, it's first home was in a Panera Bread store, so unit was quite clean. Look for a used unit if you want to save money. I'm still looking for the perfect setting, I'm slowly experimenting with raising the 'crispness' level up, which is the air heat temp. I'm looking for the perfect settings for both meats and chicken, and I'm loving the results I'm getting, based on our frequency of opening and closing. Just be careful you don't have temperature too high, and crispiness setting too low (more moist), because you can just about poach food in one of these. It's been a game changer for us - and being able to pull chicken out at end of the day like it just came out of the smoker is real nice. Ultimately, I'll have 3 half-height Cvap's in use, two up front and one in the back kitchen.

After reading some others posts on this thread, I have used butcher paper to wrap meats in, and it does well - depends if this creates too much of a mess for you or not. We always have a roll of 'peach paper' on a wall rack for easy grabbing, handy for a lot of tasks. Holding meats open in the Cvap, or in paper, or foiled will all produce a different texture - so like Russ mentioned, you'll need to do some experimenting.

Regarding hold times in a Cvap, in our state/county they use ServSafe guidelines, and every restaurant needs at least one servsafe certified manager per location (we happen to have 3 certified at our place). In reviewing, I can't find information for 'maximum' hold time provided that meat is held at 140 degrees F. or above. The thing to watch is if food ever drops 'below' 140 for any amount of time - and if opening and closing Cvap door, that could be a factor. Once temp drops, your on the clock unless you reheat to original safe temp (ie: 160). And our local HD are like restaurant ninjas when they show up with temp probes. They check everything from temps of every food on steam line to water temp of hand sinks and wash sinks.

Another nice use, and what is prompting me to get yet another is they are a nice way to hold sides or call ahead orders. For items like mac and cheese, your settings can vary greatly. If you do a moist mac and cheeese, you'll want a moist setting, and if you do a baked mac and cheese with a crust, you'll need to find the sweet spot for the crispiness setting being higher. Very versatile unit, but you'll want to find the right settings for your product and workflow (how often door opened), and then not play with settings.

Good luck with your new place . ..
Rick

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Originally posted by Tuff's Smokin' Grill:
Perfect thread for me...I am opening a small bbq joint that will also serve burgers and specialty sandwiches. I have budgeted about 3500 for a cap holding oven (HA4507). I have been deeply debating whether the oven is needed or is it overkill. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Rick,
Does the Butcher paper help protect the bark? I was thinking of holding pans of mac and cheese and topping/crisping as needed. I may use regular counter top warmers for sides like that I'm just waiting on current owners to pay back taxes so I can close my loan! My place isn't real big I'm figuring 50 to 70 covers between lunch and dinner. Which is fine by me for now!
I find paper does better for preserving bark than foiling does, but if your using a Cvap then you might want to find the right settings to hold butts and brisket without needing paper or foil at all.



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Originally posted by Tuff's Smokin' Grill:
Rick,
Does the Butcher paper help protect the bark? I was thinking of holding pans of mac and cheese and topping/crisping as needed. I may use regular counter top warmers for sides like that I'm just waiting on current owners to pay back taxes so I can close my loan! My place isn't real big I'm figuring 50 to 70 covers between lunch and dinner. Which is fine by me for now!

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