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Throwdown with Bobby Flay on Wednesday night had him in Raleigh NC challenging Ed Mitchell. Ed's a legend around here, and unlike many legends, he's also a very, very good BBQ cook. But.....I have to ask, did anyone catch that he cooks his spare ribs for just 20 minutes per side on a grill? No smoking at all, and no boiling that they mentioned.

I had to hit rewind on the Tivo, but that's what he said. And the judges said they were fall off the bone tender!??????? He must be getting some of them Kobe pigs or something, because my ribs sure wouldn't be tender after 40 minutes on the grill.

But he was also going on and on about them being NC ribs(a partially trimmed rack of spares), not St. Louis. I don't even know what a NC rib is. Outside of the chain restaurants, you didn't see ribs in BBQ joints around here until the past few years and even now it's a rarity except for the few Yankee owned BBQ restaurants, and they serve liquor too. Just crazy. And saucing 40 minute ribs with basically just vinegar sounds pretty bad to me, but I'll check out his restaurant and report back shortly.
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Yeah, saw that. I'd never heard of a NC spare either. Exactly what IS a partially trimmed spare, I thought it was St. Louis... LOL

No way those spares were tender in that time, I think someone was mis stating the times or method.

And Bobby Flay is an idiot (on purpose I'm sure) when he goes into a region and tries to change the flavors to something weird. If I want Asian ribs, I'll go to a chinese Restaurant. The judges always say... "I liked these xxxx, but they're not traditional, so I'll vote for the others"
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Yeah, saw that. I'd never heard of a NC spare either. Exactly what IS a partially trimmed spare, I thought it was St. Louis... LOL

No way those spares were tender in that time, I think someone was mis stating the times or method.

And Bobby Flay is an idiot (on purpose I'm sure) when he goes into a region and tries to change the flavors to something weird. If I want Asian ribs, I'll go to a chinese Restaurant. The judges always say... "I liked these xxxx, but they're not traditional, so I'll vote for the others"


A lot of the old time pit masters are more masters of self promotion than of cooking good 'Q. Ed can cook, but I guess he wants to claim that he invented NC ribs now too.

And Bobby Flay is original if nothing else. I love when he says something like "we're here in Manhattan at Gloria's Original Wedding Cake Factory and we're bringing it on with our wasabi, tuna, and chipolte wedding cake. Are you ready for a throwdown?" Oh yeah. Wasabi wedding cake. The world has been waiting for that.

Here's Ed Mitchell's place:
The Pit

The male judge on the show has a more traditional, less expensive, and probably better place. It's not fancy, but it's real good, and they are very nice folks. They will be on Man Vs. Food soon. It was filmed on May 20th.:
BBQ Pit



The kid kneeling in front would be a good prospect for a CS sales call. I've talked to him several times and I don't think he loves to tend the pit all night. When I told him there was a better way where he would smell better AND have time for girls, he seemed real excited.
When W/D closed lots of stores in the South,they sold all their big rib steamers for about $500.

Some of the FoodLion/Kash n' Karry stores used them also.

We were the largest independent distributor for official 76 and BP Racing Fuels in the Southeast to NASCAR,and affiliates.

Got to spend a lot more time around the tracks and vendors than I wished. Roll Eyes

Foodlion would bring in NASCAR cars and maybe a driver,Pepsi would do the drinks at a shopping center,they would steam ribs all night,carry them out of the walkins and glaze them ,until the crowd went home on the weekends.

Lot of the RibBurners/mass vendors used the steamers.

Load them up in 120 qt coolers,have flat grills ,like a Belsen,cases of gallons of Cattlemans[mixed with cheap pancake syrup],about 20 mins to glaze them with four inch paintbrushes, and pump out 3,000 slabs of spares for the race per vendor.

Fine dinin',when ya been drinking beer in the infield for a couple days.

Todd can tell you how much fun it is to work one of those,but if it don't rain,you can about pay for your rigs, after a couple of those.
Hey Todd --

What is the name of the show and which channel? I have heard mixed reviews about The Pit, so havent made a special trip to get there. I do try to make regular trips to the Backyard BBQ Pit. Friendly, hard working folks with pretty good food and a few creative touches -- also like making a trip round back to visit the pit... Last I talked to them, they were opening another restaurant closer to downtown Durham.
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Hey Todd --

What is the name of the show and which channel? I have heard mixed reviews about The Pit, so havent made a special trip to get there. I do try to make regular trips to the Backyard BBQ Pit. Friendly, hard working folks with pretty good food and a few creative touches -- also like making a trip round back to visit the pit... Last I talked to them, they were opening another restaurant closer to downtown Durham.


And the other is Man Vs. Food. It's on the Travel Channel. I think it's on tonight, 5/30 at 8:30.

It looks like Throwdown at The Pit will re-air:

Jun 06, 2009
4:30 PM ET/PT

Jun 07, 2009
11:30 PM ET/PT

Jun 08, 2009
2:30 AM ET/PT


EDIT: Spoke too soon regarding Man Vs. Food. Right city, wrong episode. You might have to wait for the fall.
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I looked on Google / YouTube couldn't find the video of it to show so we could critique, but I did find a few forums talking about ribs having nothing to do with Eastern Carolina Q (now who's being TOO traditional in their definition)

Maybe I can get him to Oklahoma for a Bologna throwdown... LOL

If anyone finds the episode, let us know so we can critique the 30 min ribs...
Maybe I am imagining things but am I the only one who saw Ed smoking his ribs before using the grill for finishing? They even showed where some of the fire had escaped the smoker and melted one of the tires of his mobile smoker.
Flay asked how long he cooked his ribs and Ed replied with "20 minutes a side" or whatever. To me(having seen this twice) this was a "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" reply which I am sure at least one of us has used in competition before.
HLO
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Yep, many ribburners are set up to move a couple thousand slabs of ribs,finished before the public arrives.

Then 20 mins on the flat top and 5 gal buckets of cheap ,thick sauce ,painted on with a four inch paint brush.

I don't know Ed,so he certainly may not fall into this category.

Like mentioned,he may feel it is no ones business,and he may have heard that Flay oven cooks and then finishes 20 mins on a grill.
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Raincreek, you might be right, but then again you might not be.

Mobile pig cookers around here get used in ways never imagined by their makers.

While not as hot as a true grill would usually be, they are still used as grills for steaks, burgers, etc anytime there's a bunch of people to feed. Great if you like baked meat. Frowner But they are also used to bake bread, pizza, quiche. Pretty much used more as a mobile oven/grill than a smoker.

It's not uncommon for gas fired "smokers" to have a charcoal tray just to allow for grill use, but it's also not uncommon to see the charcoal tray filled with water and several bushels of oysters thrown on the "smoker" to steam.

Really I have no idea if he smoked them or not, even though I remember the segment you mention. I'm just saying that he could have been using his smoker as a grill. I'll try and get over there in the next few days and sample first hand then get back to you'all.

Also, I kept putting the word smoker in quotes because a pig cooker as built by most in NC is not a smoker. Hogs usually get cooked at about 300-350* in the traditional (not saying correct) NC manner. Not much smoke usually.

Here's a pic showing more smoke than usual for a gas cooker. This guy uses a chip pouch to get this much bark, but still way short of a CS type smoke.

Okay. Inquiring minds wanted to know so I went there for a late lunch. In at ~1:30, out at about 3:00.

Restaurant Review……………..The Pit, Raleigh, N.C.
as seen on Throwdown With Bobby Flay

The Pit

Overview:
The Pit is located in a formerly industrial section of downtown Raleigh. It is in an area that has been taken over by design firms, antique shops, art galleries, and restaurants. The Pit contributes more by far than any of these other ventures to the ambiance of the area by way of the smells coming from their smoker. The whole block smells great!

The interior of The Pit is hardly pit like at all, being well lighted and modern. Upon entry you’re faced with something unusual for a BBQ restaurant, a hostess. Hmmmmmm……. I’m a big guy, but quick as lightning, and aggressive as a Cayman alligator on crystal meth, so seeing a hostess standing there in front of me really mitigates the advantage that these qualities usually afford me under competitive seating situations. Oh well.

But the inside smells as good as the outside too, which is a plus. Looking beyond the hostess stand, you’ll see a wine wall, and looking further still, you’ll see a handsome dining room with multiple glass dividers and many accent walls painted to provide color to an otherwise open room. I like the look if that matters, but there is nothing that says you’re in a BBQ restaurant, and if you’re from NC like I am, everything pretty much says you’re NOT in a BBQ restaurant, including the full bar. Also, the music; late ‘70’s-early ‘80’s pop, rock, and soul. Aretha Franklin, The Clash, David Bowie, and disco of various descriptions. Not bad music, but do the people that own this place even know where NC is located? No Merle Haggard, Randy Travis, Faith Hill, and not one little bit of Willie Nelson! That’s just crazy.

Anyway, on to the menu. You can check out the attached link for menu specifics. In general they offer what an upscale BBQ restaurant should offer, and the prices are reasonable in my opinion. Their apps are a little pricey, but that helps to keep the costs down on their plates and sandwiches I’m sure. I ordered the onion rings because I’ve been in the mood for onion rings lately. These weren’t bad, but they were of the battered variety and I would have preferred the lightly breaded type personally. Onion rings soaked in buttermilk and tossed in flour then fried to crispy perfection define the product for me, so battered rings will always come in second due to my bias. The rings were served with Oak Island sauce, whatever that is. I’ve been to Oak Island and I’ve never seen a sauce like this served there on anything, but it did remind me of the stone crab mustard sauce you get in Florida. Also, it took close to 30 minutes to get the rings even though I ordered after the lunch rush. Not great marks for timing.

I tried to order the NC spare ribs, but was told they were out at the time. I did however confirm, at least according to the waitress, that the ribs are smoked and/or baked before being finished on the grill, so there goes the 20 minutes per side claim from Throwdown. Speaking of the show, the cooker(s) from the show were sitting outside the building. For those of you that like to think the secret of good Q’ is in the equipment, a feeling promoted by folks that like to sell equipment, let me describe the cookers: one was a moderately rusted 250 gallon oil tank modified, as so many are in NC, to hold a cooking grate and charcoal. No big deal. As to the other “specially designed” cooker Ed Mitchell spoke about on the show, it was typical in every way to any other purpose built cooker. Nothing unique at all. If the pig is good, it’s because someone knew how to cook it, not because the cooker was “custom”. Oh, and the melted wheel on the cooker has been replaced for those of you that were worried.

On to the meal that arrived about 15 minutes after the onion rings. I ordered smoked meatloaf, mashed potatoes, and slaw. Meal also came with 2 quarter sized hushpuppies and a single 1.5” diameter biscuit. It was all good. Meatloaf was reheated on grill and had the grill marks to prove it, then topped with an extraordinarily average brown sauce. Potatoes were good also, topped with same sauce (gravy), but nothing exceptional even though they were claimed to be organic. I would usually take non organic Yukon golds mashed with a bunch of butter and buttermilk most days over these, but they weren’t bad. Slaw was above average mayo based. Biscuit was better than most, but likely made with Southern Biscuit Formula L mix, which is some darned good mix for those of you that can get it down south. No problems there. The hushpuppies were smaller than I like, but tasted good anyway. But only two?

So I didn’t even try the ribs or the pulled pork, but I saw plenty of it going out. Looked good, smelled good, and I’m sure tasted good. They cook it in the kitchen over charcoal with some hickory wood thrown on or flavor. The side effect of this cooking arangement is that the fire alarm went off 3 times during my visit almost blasting you out of your seat. The bartender said it happens several times a day. Nice! There were two sauces on the table, an eastern NC sauce, very similar to the one I make where I’ve been accused of not being traditional because I add a little brown sugar and hot sauce. But mine tastes good, and not just like plain vinegar. This one tastes good as well. Good for them! The other sauce was like a modified Lexington style sauce, but with quite a bit of brown sugar and worstershire sauce added. Quite tasty, and very similar to another NC restaurant, Short Sugars BBQ in Reidsville, NC.

So, in summary, pros and cons:

Pros:
Smell, reasonable prices, good service, pretty waitresses, good food, great iced tea!!, nice but non-BBQ specific décor.

Cons:
Slow kitchen (bordering on very slow), music and décor, that while appealing, caused disorientation and confusion as to my exact whereabouts, waitresses too young to call me “sugar” and “honey” and not make me feel slightly dirty for letting them, and lastly, maybe a little too much hype. Oh, and they also charged me dinner prices instead of lunch prices, adding about $2.50 to my order. Probably an accident.....

The company that owns The Pit owns several restaurants in the area. I don't know, but I suspect, that Ed Mitchell's presence and involvement is limited to when the camera's are rolling. And to be honest, the footage they showed on Throwdown of Ed kind of doing a two step tableside, took me back to the not so good ole days of the South. I hope he doesn't really do that type of thing when he's there.

This isn’t one of those places where you take bets on how long they’ll be in business, it could be here for a long time, but it is one of those that if you came back in a year you wouldn’t be surprised to see a new name, a French menu, and the same décor and staff. Overall score on scale 1-10 piggys: 7.5-8 piggys
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Thanks.enjoyed it.

Looks like we'd stop.

We try to find at least something to like about most places that have a following.

Even if John and Barbara just liked the desserts. Roll Eyes

Altough, on the circuit we tend to eat a lot of fried fish,Tex-Mex,meat n' threes.

You can only haul and stand next to a cooker so many straight days. Big Grin

If ya get to Ok City,Smokin',has a place that is only fried chicken,rings,fries and beer.

It is worth the drive out there. Cool
One thing I failed to mention is that I was sitting where I could see people coming in the door. The customers didn't look like working people, they looked like folks on vacation. I asked the waitress where their business came from, and she said "all over". I asked her about regulars and she said they didn't really have any, but that it had been real busy since the Throwdown episode aired with people traveling. So I don't know if the business I saw will be transient in nature or not.

There was a lot to like about this place. The owners are professional restaurant managers, and they tend to be on the trendy side of things, hence my thinking that something else could end up in the same space if the buzz dies down at some point. It's kind of scary when you don't have regulars.
I ate at the Backyard BBQ Pit last week, the restaurant where the male judge came from, and I asked them if Ed Mitchell cooked his ribs for just 30-40 minutes. He said that was correct. He saw them go on the grill raw and came off just a little while later. I guess I'll have to go try the ribs for myself, but everyone I've asked has said they've never been able to get the ribs because they're always out. Always. As in maybe they don't even sell them???????????

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