Many thanks Smokin..Great Job!!
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As a professional chef I prefer to cook my PR to 110 degrees and allow carry over to work for me as it rests. As you pointed out there are differing ideas of what is rare.
Prime rib is usually served MR and the lower temp keeps the rare and MR fans happy. (personally I like mine rare as possible)
When we serve if a guest wants a medium cut (end cuts often go fast) we simply pour hot jus over the top of the slice. Most are very happy. If the guest wants med well to well done we resort to the aujus in a pan and put it in the oven method.
Choice is what most restaurants serve.
Most people will be very happy with Choice and will complain that your Prime cut is too fatty.
Here is a link that shows the difference between Prime and Choice.
http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/prime_rib/
I use a simple rub of kosher salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh garlic. Sometimes fresh rosemary of thyme.
I just got an FEC 100 and seasoned it up this afternoon. Tommorrow night a load of butts is going in and am looking forward to serving up some smoked PR on Friday nights.
Prime rib is usually served MR and the lower temp keeps the rare and MR fans happy. (personally I like mine rare as possible)
When we serve if a guest wants a medium cut (end cuts often go fast) we simply pour hot jus over the top of the slice. Most are very happy. If the guest wants med well to well done we resort to the aujus in a pan and put it in the oven method.
Choice is what most restaurants serve.
Most people will be very happy with Choice and will complain that your Prime cut is too fatty.
Here is a link that shows the difference between Prime and Choice.
http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/prime_rib/
I use a simple rub of kosher salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh garlic. Sometimes fresh rosemary of thyme.
I just got an FEC 100 and seasoned it up this afternoon. Tommorrow night a load of butts is going in and am looking forward to serving up some smoked PR on Friday nights.
As another professional chef I would have to point out that the carryover cooking varies depending on how hot your cooking temperature is to start out with.
Barbara Kafka wrote an excellent coobook on Roasting back in 1995, with the main premise being to actually roast meat in an oven you need to be at 500 degrees or higher, otherwise you are actually steaming the meat.
A 14 pound prime rib cooked at 500 degrees pulled around 95 degrees will continue to carryover cook as it rests and rise to around 120 - 125 degrees (Medium Rare).
A 14 pound Prime Rib cooked at 250 degrees will carryover cook maybe 5 degrees more, and at 300 degrees it will go maybe 8 to 10 degrees higher.
I like to think of it as "Culinary Inertia".
Barbara Kafka wrote an excellent coobook on Roasting back in 1995, with the main premise being to actually roast meat in an oven you need to be at 500 degrees or higher, otherwise you are actually steaming the meat.
A 14 pound prime rib cooked at 500 degrees pulled around 95 degrees will continue to carryover cook as it rests and rise to around 120 - 125 degrees (Medium Rare).
A 14 pound Prime Rib cooked at 250 degrees will carryover cook maybe 5 degrees more, and at 300 degrees it will go maybe 8 to 10 degrees higher.
I like to think of it as "Culinary Inertia".
That is an excellent point, Bacchus, and I have experienced the same process with my cooking as I have cooked at different temps and noticed different finish temps.
one issue with 'roasting' at a very high temp is that the outer edges of the meat gets overcooked well into the 'hunk of meat', which means less of the R or MR to enjoy; plus it is difficult to really know the exact amount of carryover. I much prefer to roast/smoke at a lower temp closer to 200 where the carryover is much less problematic and finishing for a short time at a high temp for the crust, if desired.
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I mention both those issues in the new 101.
Carryover (my experience before I knew of Kafka) is that a rapid rise in temp in a hot oven means it's rising faster, thus more carryover.
The issue about the gray outside is one we have discussed and is good to know. Me, it's not that big a deal, I've never heard anyone mention it at all, until we started talking in the forum.
I like my method. Start low, rest, finish high. Works for me
Carryover (my experience before I knew of Kafka) is that a rapid rise in temp in a hot oven means it's rising faster, thus more carryover.
The issue about the gray outside is one we have discussed and is good to know. Me, it's not that big a deal, I've never heard anyone mention it at all, until we started talking in the forum.
I like my method. Start low, rest, finish high. Works for me
Does this mean you've dropped the "day job" to concentrate on your passion?
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no, not even. the school doesn't pay me very much, it's just a teacher's position, not a Tenured Professor's
Well. I think it's neat and says a lot when someone does so well at their passion or hobby that people are willing to pay them for it.
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Thanks to you all, and another friend I am very pleased with my first Prime in the FEC100.
In years past I had worked out of convection oven at 350 degrees. I heeded the advise about carry over and pulled at 120.
I have the old Traeger controller.
Seared the rib all over and put it on the smoke setting for an hour. Bumped it to 250 for two hours and dropped it down to 200 for the remainder. When it hit 220 degrees I wrapped it in plastic wrap and foil and dropped it in the cooler (cambro) until service two hours later.
My guests and I were very pleased with the end result.
Prime Rib
Plated Prime Rib
In years past I had worked out of convection oven at 350 degrees. I heeded the advise about carry over and pulled at 120.
I have the old Traeger controller.
Seared the rib all over and put it on the smoke setting for an hour. Bumped it to 250 for two hours and dropped it down to 200 for the remainder. When it hit 220 degrees I wrapped it in plastic wrap and foil and dropped it in the cooler (cambro) until service two hours later.
My guests and I were very pleased with the end result.
Prime Rib
Plated Prime Rib
That is nice looking. Way to go.
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kaffeen,
Instead of posting it as a URL, I used the IMG take (the little picture icon) so that it wouldn't like and thus be seen.
Great job.
Instead of posting it as a URL, I used the IMG take (the little picture icon) so that it wouldn't like and thus be seen.
Great job.
agreed, looks very nice. but I think you mean that you pulled at 120 and not 220.
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Thanks for the fix SmokinOkie. I didn't want to post such a huge file to the forum.
And TNQ I did mean to say I pulled at 120. Thanks for clarification.
Today was prime rib sandwiches on a multigrain ciabatta with horseradish sauce, pepper jack cheese and caramelized red onions.
Yummy.
And TNQ I did mean to say I pulled at 120. Thanks for clarification.
Today was prime rib sandwiches on a multigrain ciabatta with horseradish sauce, pepper jack cheese and caramelized red onions.
Yummy.
Good Day All,
Smokin I have a question, in your PR 101 you remove the rib from the fridge and coat with worcestershire and MSS, how long before you start smoking can you add this? A day 2 days or right then? Also I am going to use a rib eye roll, is that ok? Thank you in advance and MERRY XMAS to all!!!!
Smokin I have a question, in your PR 101 you remove the rib from the fridge and coat with worcestershire and MSS, how long before you start smoking can you add this? A day 2 days or right then? Also I am going to use a rib eye roll, is that ok? Thank you in advance and MERRY XMAS to all!!!!
I can't answer for Smokin but I use the same prep on my rib roasts and do it 24 hours ahead of time. I also wrap mine in food wrap after putting the wooster and MSS on before putting it in the fridge.
Former Member
There's no wrong answer Captian. You could do it overnight allow some of the rub to penetrate. Even if there is salt in the rub, it won't necessarily be a bad thing. I see more and more people "salting" their prime rib overnight.
Former Member
Sorry if I missed it in the new PR 101 (which was excellent!), but how much wood, would you use in an electric smoker? Would 2 oz of cherry be about right?
Thanks
Thanks
I'm heading to the Orangevale Meat Market to pick up a 7 lb rib roast--Choice cut for Christmas day. Their Choice meat is ranked at 93%, which makes it just below Prime. I can't wait.
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quote:Originally posted by JAR-3:
Sorry if I missed it in the new PR 101 (which was excellent!), but how much wood, would you use in an electric smoker? Would 2 oz of cherry be about right?
Thanks
That's VERY subjective. If you've not done one before (keep notes on this one) I would do only 1 or 2 oz. Less is better than more.
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