bought a creekside at gander mtn. a few years back, around $100.00, 1 1/4 hp. 3 plates, 3 tubes, #22, works great. grinds more per hour than i need. you can buy more plates and tubes if you need them, sausagemaker, l.e.m., eldon, ect. i only due 15 to 20 lbs. at a time, cs 08. paul