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I have been testing some salmon brines and have run into a few thing that are confusing. Cold Smoking, Hot Smoking, Brining, Curing, and a new one for a guy @ BBQsearch.com called Koshering? First of all has anyone ever head of "Koshering", is it actually a process or just another name for Brining or Curing? I got a pretty good article for a fellow at North West Smoking, that explains curing and why they do it. It seem this is what you do to sausage, hams, and thing you are not going to eat right away and want to be able to store it for a while for later use. This is where you use cold smoking. I guess my question here is does this add to the curing processing or does it just add the smoke flavor.
As for brining: there is a brine mixture of water, salt, sugar, anything you add from this point would be for flavor, is that right? This is hot smoked and pretty much used in a shorter pierod of time than cured things. One of the problems I am having is the times to leave it the soak and the rinse process. Some receipes say brine it over night and some say just an hour or so. And they all say rinse and let dry before hot smoking. What I need to know is, what does the brining do? Does it preserve or just add flavor. And when they say rinse it, how much do you rinse it? Can you rinse it to much, will it take away from the brining process. One fellow had it right as far as I can tell when he said, Rinse it, Rinse it, Rinse it, if you don't it taste like a salt block. Im so confused. Is there a good artical you can refer me too, or just tell me how it is.
I brined and hot smoked a samon for a fellow from Washington State that is full blood indian, and he said it was great, but to me it's too salty. I don't know if he is just being nice or if it's suppose to taste that way? I think it's to salty and need to rinse it more. I'm going to try it again tomorrow with a straight brine of 1 gal water,3/4-1 Cup Salt, 1/4-1/2 Cup brown sugar, soak for 1hr and rinse, rinse, rinse. Season with cookshack rib rub and spicy chicken seasoning 50/50 mix. Let sit for and hr to dry, then hot smoke for 1 1/2-2 hrs. @180 deg. with Alder and Hickory. What do you think?
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Let�s begin with brining and curing. Brining involves salt and liquid. Acid is usually added to a brine as it promotes tenderness via breaking down cell membranes. Flavoring agents may also be added�spices, sugars, etc. The brining liquid, strictly speaking, involves water though other liquids may be added�wine, fruit juices, cider, etc.

Curing as a rule, employs course salt � otherwise known as Kosher salt�hence �Koshering�. Again, cures may be embellished with sugar, herbs & spices and Tenderquick which uses Sodium Nitrate to increase tenderness and promote desired color finish. Both methods are means by which meat, fish or fowl are preserved.

Cold smoking is done at temps under 100 F. while hot smoking involves temps of 150 + F. Cold smoking simply adds smoked flavor to preserved foods. Hot smoking also adds smoke flavor but cooks the food as well.

The timing necessary for proper curing or brining generally depends on the size/weight of the product being cured/brined. You�ll find a wealth of information under �Smokin�Okie Barbecue Guide� in Brining 101. You may also refer to �The Smoked Foods Cookbook� by Lue & Ed Park, which offers great information tables as to brining/curing times and smoking times.

Holler if you need more info.
JR,

I too was confused when I first started into this. The books that I bought were not that good at getting to a decent explanation either. So I'll try to make it as plain and simple as I can.

First there are two major methods for curing meats; liquid brining and dry cure. Both essentially achieve the same end..., that is preserving the meat with an adequate salt content with the added provision that the meat also has a greatly reduced moisture content.

Liquid brining achieves this by having a brine salt content that is high enough to insure a salt ratio high enough to insure preservation once the product is dehydrated (note that the product goes from a liquid to a dry product indicating that the salt in solution can be a lower percentage as the product when dry will have a higher salt content). Note that both salt and sugar can be used as curing agents thus greatly modifying the taste of the end product (part of the Zen mystery). Herbs & spices impart specific taste and smell on top of the salt/sugar basic taste. Some add vinegar to tenderize tough meat products in the process. Note that this is all done under refrigeration. The time of brining is dependent on the weight of the meat product and is gauged on the time of the solution to penetrate to the core. Once cured it is rinsed in clear water and allowed to dry until a pellicle forms (glisteny clear surface)before smoking.

Dry curing is achieved through rubbing on a salt/sugar/spice mixture and leaving the product on top of a rack so that liquid derived from the salting can drain. The product is "overhauled" at periodic intervals until liquid is no longer observed. This interval is dependent upon the weight of the meat product as the rate of penetration is the constraining factor. Once liquid no longer is observed draining out of the product is indicative of the end or this process. The product is then rinsed in clear water for a period depending on, ,again on the weight of the product. It is then allowed to dry before smoking.

Now comes the smoking part.

Hot smoking generally indicates that the product is to be cooked and served hot immediately. Products are generally brined or cure rubbed overnight for these products..., they are thouroughly rinsed before smoking.

Cold smoking is indicative of fully cured meat products. The smoke in this case is an additional preservative step that is taken to not only preserve but to subtly flavor according to the type of wood used to produce smoke. Note that the product is already preseved and that this an additional step in that process.

Now that it's smoked how long will it keep? This depends mostly upon the fat content of the final product and cleanliness in the production process. More fat means less shelf time and vice versa. I always freeze fish but use muslin double bagging for dry cured hams.

I suggest the following website which has very useful information regarding food preservation..., I use it often as a reference;
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/oa/pubs/consumerpubs.htm

Hope this sheds some light on what at first appears to be an arcane subject but will become very clear as you obtain more experience in the art of preservation.

Gilly
Gilly,
Thanks for the come back and the info you have provided. I've learned more about brining on this forum than I ever thought possable, and in such a short time. Eeker My ribs and salmon have turned out great and the people that I have sold it to said is't the best they have ever had (But what do Texans know about salmon) Big Grin , but I have to admit it's pretty darn good, and I'm not a fish person. Thanks for the site address again.
See Ya Around The Ranch
JR Big Grin
Carl,

Pellicle is the result of exposing a brined, or cured product...usually fish, once rinsed of the cure, to air. Basically you place the fish on a wire rack and leave it in a cool environment for 8 - 12 hrs. I use my walk-in cooler. The cool air dries the surface and leaves behind a glossy sheen --- that's the pellicle.

I've always assumed, but am not absolutley sure pn this, that the absence of moisture on the surface allows greater smoke penetration.

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JR,

As far as "koshering" goes, I have a Jewish buddy who might take exception to this term, not because he would find it offensive or any of that P.C. stuff, but because it is inaccurate. The only way to make your product kosher is to start with kosher ingredients, (kosher beef has to be butchered a certain way) not mix the wrong ingredients with it (no dairy with meat, like in any sauce), and have a Rabbi present at every step of the way.

I know, I know. The term refers to kosher salt. I just thought it was kind of a funny image, having a Rabbi around everytime I'm cooking
thinking of getting the SM070 or the SM160 for cold smoking bacon, iv been using the bradley smoker up untill now, and have been cold smoking for 16hours, iv read on this forum that you turn it on for 20mins then turn off for 60-90minutes,

But how long can i do that for? or how many times do i do that to get same result as the bradley?

Any help apricated
English Butcher, I am not a professional, but I happened to catch your post. I think you would benefit from copying and pasting your question in the top portion of this forum under which model to buy, OR, under the pork heading. At the very least I would start your own thread so it can get the answers/replies you need. I think it will get lost at the end of an old thread.

By the way, I hot smoke my bacon in the 025, but I am just a home cook for a family of five.

Our forum moderator may get to moving the post to a better place if he gets the chance, he's really good at taking care of us like that Smiler

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