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Hi.

I am going to vent a bit here, but I also want to know if others have my experience too.

Today we were doing our new flea market gig and we were surprise inspected. No big deal really, we run clean and by the law. I know the reason we were inspected. Another food vendor was due for his state inspection (overdue All are due by June 30th). Late fee is 70 dollars in WI. We had our inspection and fees in way back in May when we went out the first week. On talking to the other vendor we learned he paid $100 for his license (no late fee). Ours was a few dollars shy of $300. I haven't figured out what kind of license he has yet. He has no Commissary. He carries a blue tank on wheels for his waste water. No fresh water tanks. He hooks up by hose to the water at the place he is working. We had to have our water tested for use, flow preventer on the lines, etc. I know the flea market is not state tested for water.

So we mosey over to the other food vendor and low and behold, I am astonished! He has this mini donut fryer on the counter, not a stainless counter. No suppression system. He has a crock pot on the other non stainless counter, for the tacos he makes. A fry daddy for frying ice cream and tacos. Gee, I'd think your ice cream could tase taco-y? That makes two fryers and no surpression system. State requires on if you run more than one fryer. Regular fridge and freezer, side by side model. An apartment stove. Lots of bare wood, not even painted. Sinks from Menards, no hands free hand washing sink. I have five bloody sinks, restaurant size. I had to have glassboard walls. All kinds of violations that I can see, just from outside. Mind you the inspector tested our food temps, reefer temps, and so forth. I really think he just wanted to see inside our rig. Curiosity. The higher up inspector was there and had a meeting with this guy and had told him we had a nice trailer and great food. That was good to hear. But curiosity was a factor here I am sure. So, we did the inspection and did fine. He tells us that we have a class act and a really nice set up, which is gratifying to hear. I then ask if he would like a sandwich of pulled pork with chips and a drink. Sure he says. I make it and Patrick asks him if he can just give it to him or would that be considered a bribe. We didn't charge him. Later Patrick is talking to the other vendor and finds out the inspector suggested he come over and look at our trailer to see an example of a good setup. That too was nice, kind of embarrassing for the guy, but ...

What gets me is that here are all these other vendors , not going by the book, which I do, and have no want to do it any other way, but hey, why do they get to operate outside the lines????? It is annoying!

This guy is running more than 20 events in the year. That is the max that special event vendors can go. So that is not where his license is set. He isn't prepackaged, so that is not his license. And even so, why should special events vendors be able to poison or mishandle food for people just because they are labeled SPECIAL EVENTS. They should have to have food management courses just like us. They should have to use professional ways and means too. It is just plain nonsense.

I am annoyed because I see it all the time. ARGHHH. I want to whack someone or something.

Last week I watched another food vendor wash out a coffee pot and the innards in the ladies room sink. Yuck! Unsanitary! Then she emptied the grounds into a big trash can in the parking lot and clanked it out on the walls inside the trash can. Walked straight back and made coffee. No wash, no rinse even. They have no water onboard! Course most people won't eat there, but some do.

Anyone else have these experiences? Does it make anyone else as crazy as it does us? We work hard to have a clean and compliant place. I know they make us look extra good, but it is still annoying.

Maybe it shouldn't bother me ... but it does! Anyone else?

Kate
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Oh yeah, it's out there, but do these slobs get the business clean looking vendors with all their teeth get?

We had a vendor next to us with 2 card tables, pop up tent, a couple of $40 Hamiton Beach roaster, (one had a cover, the other tin foil), and a roll of 16 ga extension cord that caused our circuits to pop out.

They sat in their chairs and watched while we had lines 20 people deep.

Perception is reality.

What torques me is when you turn someone in, the inspector tells them another vendor turned them in. Do they need a complaint to check them out?

We had a guy crossing the state line, from WI into MN, without having USDA inspected meat. That's a no-no.
I was told by my Dept/Ag inspector that his liabilty insurance is null and void if he is out of compliance. When he runs out of money they come after the Farmers Market.
I turned him in; told no one; he was inspected, sent home, and was told he was turned in. He looks at the ground every time we cross paths.

Good luck! Roger
kate,
we were on the receiving end of a pop inspection last year due to a person being denied a spot to sell hot food at the farmer's market even though he owns a large bagel restaurant he advised the manager that we were just a bbq team and therefore weren't even licensed to sell food to the public (i guess he failed to see our mfd decal and cert numbers required by the state on the side of the rig). now this is where it gets good. the field inspector sent by the state was with the dept. of agriculture and were are under the juristiction of the dept of business and professional regulations and from a strickly legal point of view we are under no obligation to let them inspect us. but wait it gets better the lady sent just happened to be the one who approved our rig plans as required by the state for the paltry sum of 150 bucks. she indicated that she didn't need to inspect us but we wouldn't hear of it!!!!! we demanded she inspect us!!!! barbara got the grand tour, i opened every thing, she loved the remote thermos in the reefer and freezer and the fec and sm. she looked at the manager and told her "i approved their plans. but something told me jack would be the 1st,last and only time that i would see a polished floor under the sinks and the underneath of all fixtures totally free of an dust and polished too boot."
i feel as you do about the special event permits since i get to watch the "juice guys" every week. they sell raw juices made from veggies and fruits and just ickky stuff like that. the tree huggers love them!!! but here is what i see. gloves--these dudes have one pair and they never come off!!! not even for a smoke break!!!! refrigeration--they don't need no stinkin' refrigeration!!!! hand wash--heck they use our bottle of hand sanitizer we put out for our customers to use (one of peg's best ideas. got a huge bottle at sams for around 10 bucks. that bottle has created more good will then you can believe!!!)
so i agree with you about the special permits. oh and one day i will ask the manager if she is requiring from them the same liability coverage she demands from us!!!!!
if it makes you feel any better there was a bbq comp in jacksonville. had robbie kenivill making a jump. lots of big time ads. promotor gave out bad checks. an almost riot when keniville refused to jump. but here is what this jerk was requiring. you had to buy all drinks from him as a competitor, you had to provide all disposal for ashes and his list went on and on and he kept saying this was city law but HE LET ANY GOOF OFF COMP TEAM VEND WITH NO INSURANCE AND NO MFD AND ACCORDING TO HIM THIS WAS OK!!!!! GIVE ME A DARNED BREAK!!!!!. HECK I HAVE COMPETED AND NOT ONCE HAS ANYONE EVER TEMPED MY MEAT, EITHER IN THE HOLDING STAGE OR IN THE COOKED STAGE!!!!! AND IT DON'T MATTER IF IT WAS KCBS OR FBA!!!
now here is what i am doing and to be honest i am waiting for an fba team to beat me on a catering contract since this jerk says i am a fool for following the law (and this is a highly placed team in the fba from the daytona area) as soon as they come to saint johns county i am calling my inspector. he has advised me that while they do not have the manpower to effectively police catering and caterers a simple phone call with a time,date and location will suffice and they will with all due dilegence prosecute offenders.
i can't wait for that day!!! it absolutley won't come quick enough and john will find out who the true fool is!!!!!
the very nicest part is the inspectors want them and want them bad!!!! they know we pay our hard earned bucks and are forced to do business on an uneven playing field. by the same token they know if honest people will not call them there is nothing they can do. so my tact has changed from being nice to hey this is business and dude you better be paying for all the stuff us honest guys do!!!
i warned said individual at the fba stae chsamionships in minneola florida of this, along with a member of the fba board who was, in my opinion, verbally assualting my wife. thank goodness she did not have her uzi with her that day.
so if you needed to vent so did i!!!!!!
my advice is take the same route that hogfarmer and i are going. turn them in and make a stink!!! all it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
jack
ps. no i don't feel any better. my bile is up just thinking of the three smug individuals that waylaid us at minneola and thinking about seeing juiceboy saturday!!!

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