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I own a model 55 cs.It's great.Infact,people everywhere are buying my smoked salmon and jerky.I have to build a new shack for my smoker,fridge,freezer, etc... Should I go pro? how? Internet? I already sell at local markets,and I can barely keep up.If I could do this for a living,man that would be great.I'm tired of paving hiways.2 years ago i was run over by a packer.It cut off my left leg, brokemy neck,back,sternum,hip, 3 months in coma.Getting on and off of equipment at work is really hard now.If i could only smoke amd bbq for a living,my god would that be wonderful.Anyway,I really need some pro advice.If you have time to share it,please,please do.I credit this site and it's forums for keeping my sanity.Thanks to Cookshack , I can dream of doing something new.
Duke.
P.S. You just can't kill an Irishman.
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It's great that you are staying busy just being part time!!! The first word of advise would be to contact your local health department. With you being in Canada, I am not sure what it is called, but they would be able to guide and assist you in what the local foodservice regulations are. Once you understand the red tape, then things will become into focus. Keep us posted, OK?
Mountain man,

I want you to call John Shiflet at 1-800-423-0698 and tell him what you would like to do. He has helped hundreds, if not thousands, of people go into business, starting very small. We are here to help people solve problems, and would love to have the chance to help you out.
Should I go pro? That question is always answered by the following question: do I have a demand for my product from a large enough customer base to cover the overhead and make me a large enough profit to live on?

The answer to that second question is not something I, nor anyone else, can answer for you. The answer is found in marketing surveys, a business plan, and the form your business will take: ie concession, mail-order, storefront.

After spending years thinking about opening a bbq joint, I decided to see if there was even any interest from my potential customer base. I did a quick and dirty marketing survey. I took the phone book and made 100 random calls. I would skip every ten pages, and choose the 15th name on that page. Skip ten pages, choose the 15th name... etc. I would call and introduce myself as a local person interested in starting a new food business. I asked three questions:

1. Which type of restaurant would they like to see most A. hamburger, B. chinese, C. italian, D. pit-smoked barbecue, E. mexican, F. a Denny's-style. If the person answered anything other than barbecue, I thanked them and concluded the call. If they answered "barbecue", then I would proceed asking the next two questions.

2. What would your preferred menu item be: A. BBQ pork, B. BBQ beef brisket, C. BBQ ribs, D. BBQ chicken, E. Other?

3. What style of restaurant would you like to see: A. formal dining, B. casual dining, C. take out with informal inside seating, D. take-out only, E. take-out and delivery.

Sixty-one of those responding highly favored a barbecue joint. It probably helped that at that time, there were none in the entire two-county area. This was encouraging, so I decided that if I seriously wanted to pursue this any further, I needed some sort of process to help me decide if I had what it takes to open a restaurant.

For me, I used the process of constructing a business plan to determine whether or not I would proceed forward with the decision to open my store. It took me about a year, and made me delve into aspects of being a business owner that I didn't even know that I was clueless about. Writing the business plan helped tremendously in clarifying what I needed to do in order to strengthen my weaknesses. It gave me the clarity of knowing what I needed to do in order to get my business off the ground.

A business plan will force you to know:

1. Where your customers are.

2. What your customers want and need.

3. How much it will cost you to produce the product you want to sell. The cost of goods is not just about how much you pay for the food to make your product.

4. How you plan to attract customers and enlarge your customer base. Just how many new customers will it take per day in order to make the money you need to cover costs and profit? A good business will keep customers coming back; those are your Regulars. However, most of your Regulars will only eat out once in a while, not every day. Sure, you will have some that may come in a couple of times a week, but not everyone will. Most won't. And even your regulars may want something to eat, periodically, other than your bbq. They simply won't show up each day.

You need to have a plan to continually grow your customer base. If you plan on just "word of mouth", then I hope you have a fat wad of cash sitting in your reserve account.

Marketing is not just advertising; advertising is only one tool that you use to market your product. Marketing is about letting folks know what your business is and why they need your product. Marketing can be as simple as visiting surrounding businesses with a sample of your product and a stack of business cards. Or it can be as elaborate as a high-powered marketing firm can make it. A good business plan will incorporate a marketing plan. Marketing can be inexpensive and still be incredibly effective; call it guerilla marketing.

What good marketing needs, however, is something that is always in short supply when you run your own business: time. And without taking the time you need for marketing, you cripple your chances of success from the get-go. A good business plan will help you understand how you are going to fit marketing into the whole of your business.

5. What you want your operation to look like. For instance, my business plan helped me to figure out that I didn't want to deal with front of the house staff and scheduling ie waitresses. So I focused on how to make customer counter service a smooth, pleasant, and efficient experience for the guest.

6. What equipment do you need to get up and running? This includes hard equipment like sinks, dishwashers, pits & smokers, prep tables, prep equipment, cold storage, hot holding and cold holding, etc. It also includes consumables like paper towels, cups, take-out containers, straws, food-handling gloves, etc. The plan will make you understand your inventory needs, plans for maintaining equipment, and all the nit-picky details that can bust a budget.

7. Who are the wholesale suppliers that you will want to deal with to get the best prices on your inventory items.

8. What amount of start-up funds do you need? A business plan will make you honestly think through, evaluate, and intimately understand several types of budgeting processes that you need to know. It will force you to account for every nickle that you will need to spend, and give you the tools you need to keep you from blindly throwing money into the wind. Without that kind of disciplined approach, you can run out of money before you are even half-way through opening up your business.

You need to know what your line item budget is for your equipment, for your remodeling or construction, for your initial inventory, for your monthly expenditures, and for the OTHER STUFF: government fees, permit charges, inspection costs, taxes, surcharges, attorneys, bookeepers, software, pencils, calculators, file cabinets, advertising, phone bill, utilities, and on and on.

A business plan, done properly, is a lot of work; but it is not wasted work, nor is it useless make-work. A business plan is the only way to answer the question "should I go pro?"

In my mind, if someone is unwilling to put in the work to plan and think things through in a disciplined and thoughtful manner the way a business plan forces one to do, then they should forget about opening their own business. The dedication to succeed simply isn't there.

I thought I would hate doing my plan; but I actually enjoyed it. And it answered my question about whether or not I should open my own business.

I made good use of the Small Business Administration's website. I also used Entrepreneur Magazine's website. Both have a lot of resources for planning and running a small business. They also have information on how to do a business plan.

I used Business Plan Pro to help me get started doing my business plan. I found that it helped me format the plan and progress with its writing in a logical way. You don't need to buy software to do a business plan, but it is something to consider if you are stuck on how to get started. I'm sure there are any number of programs out there.

If you have access to a college, they may have a small business counseling program. If you were in America, I could point you to our government resources for small business which provide wonderful programs to get you going with counseling and outstanding resource materials. Please check with your own government's small business program for similar programs.

Good luck with your decision, I wish you the best.
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Dear Dave,

I have only posted on this site a couple of times over the last two years, but let me THANK YOU for taking the time to post your incredible insight into this forum.

The world would be a better place if everyone would share their knowledge and wisdom like you did for us here.

I too have a BBQ restaurant dream. It will happen here in Vegas. Thanks for the encouragement.

Sincerely,
Rick
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Originally posted by VegasBBQman:
Dear Dave,

I have only posted on this site a couple of times over the last two years, but let me THANK YOU for taking the time to post your incredible insight into this forum.

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You are very welcome, my friend. I hope that you keep pursuing that dream of yours. I'll look forward to a future announcement of your Grand Opening.
All of this makes me wonder if someone (Cookshack?) couldn't compile a list of BBQ joints (uhhh businesses) that use CS smokers. I'd love to have that list when I go traveling and it could be a great resource for people thinking of starting a business. A simple PDF file of names and addresses would do. Anyone?
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Originally posted by Qnorth:
All of this makes me wonder if someone (Cookshack?) couldn't compile a list of BBQ joints (uhhh businesses) that use CS smokers.


At face value, this would be a good thing IF the business gave permission first.

I can tell you from experience (keep in mind this is only me talking, not any other business owner) that there is nothing more awkward than having someone show up at the store and want to have you take time telling them about the bbq business.

As with most small operations, when I'm open I am busy and on my feet for twelve to fourteen hours. When I get home my feet are numb, my back hurts, I've got a headache, and I still have some "office" stuff to do. On days that I'm "off", I have maintenance to attend, inventory to take care of, and cleaning to do.

Posting thoughts or insights on a forum is done when I feel I have the time to do so. And I have posted on a usenet bbq group and a couple of other forums and enjoy doing so from time to time. The problem is, I don't have much time to give when I'm running my store.

At first I was flattered that a wide-eyed innocent would seek me out in order to be immersed in my wisdom and wise ways of the Ancient and Mystical Secret Order of the 'Q Trade. I'm sure not anything special, but I love helping others as they pursue their own dreams.

But things quickly went from one person every six weeks or so, to several people each month. It became even more trying when I started getting phone calls from people out of state. As much as I hated doing so, I finally had to put a stop to it.

For visitors, I limit myself to taking them on a quick tour. For phone calls, I limit call time to one or two questions and then wish them the best. If either wants any more of my time, then I offer to give them a rate schedule detailing my fees for a consultation.

In reality, I wish I could spend time with everyone. And every once in a while, I still do spend the time with that wide-eyed innocent.

As I said, I don't know if other owners have the same issues or see things the same as I. And please, don't take what I said in a negative or antagonistic manner. I just thought it might help to hear the viewpoint from a bbq joint owner.
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Originally posted by Qnorth:
Dave:
I agree with you 100% and as I wrote that post I *did* think that some businesses would not want to be on the list. But it sure would be nice to at least patronize those businesses who do know how to make good Q and a list of CS businesses would be a good start.


I have to agree with you there, 100%
Mountain Man,

I recently posted my thoughts on sealers in your vacuum sealer post.

Now that I read this, while I am not there myself yet, I think there is a good market for just jerky and smoked fish. Especially if you can cold smoke some fish rather than just hot smoke them as what is also called kippered. Cold smoking works well in a Cookshack with a baffle. Dealing with other people's game and fish, is pretty much impossible down in this neck of the woods, but might work in Canada. Then you can figure out your time and expenses and bill them accordingly. The margins are what you set, not what the market will bear in any of this, because there is really no small end operations, just large business suppliers.

I think if I had what we call down here good commissary space and a good vacuum sealer, I could make a respectable living on just jerky alone. I would really have to hussle, but that is life. I would also advertise that I catered occasions with great Q, and as time and space permitted sell precooked and pulled pork etc, to some of the local greasy spoons, maybe even some high class restaurants.

A regular brick and mortar Q place has been so well described in this tread is another story. Even event catering out of trailer, has it's own set of problems.

What you need to keep in mind, just what you really want to do, what you don't what to do, and a potential path from where you are now to where you want to be. All three are important and don't let someone talk you into varying from that plan unless they can convince you that it really is a better idea. It might be good to write some of that down, just to help you remember, but it is also the basis for a real business plan, should you ever need one.

Good Q is both about the food but also about people. Like no other segment of life it breaks down barriers, rather than erecting them. That holds true whether it is Mountain Man's BBQ joint, or Mountain Man's beef jerky on the end cap of the convenience store.

Just my $1.00 worth, you surely can't make a living anymore on just $0.02.
Dave expressed the view of barbecue restaurant owners very well. We don't publish our customers' names without their permission because of the concerns that he expressed. The exception is that we do publish articles about our customers in our commercial line newsletter, On Q. If our new website ever gets done you will be able to read pdf versions of it on there.
I have to agree with Dave that a plan is the key.

You'll hear statistics about small enterprises foundering at a certain percentage, usually very high.

This is because someone had a great idea and passion for a small business, but didn't have a plan.

Without the plan, it is in the wind.

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