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From the St pete times concerning the BBq Fest in Pinellas PArk.
"This city's first barbecue festival has been over for more than a week, but the flames of controversy are still blazing.

The latest concerns allegations that something was amiss with the judging at BBQfest 2005.

Frank Edgar, owner of Fat Fred's BBQ and Creative Catering at 1001 First Ave. N in St. Petersburg, said the winner also happened to be a sponsor of the event. That's suspicious, Edgar said.

Also upset is Lee Rice of Desperado's BBQ & Rib Co. in Hinckley, Ohio.

Rice has been waging an e-mail war over the issue with festival organizer Frank Giglio, who classifies the charges as "ridiculous."

"Judging was just a total fraud," Rice wrote in an April 7 e- mail. He listed his reasons:

n There was no written set of rules.

n The judging took place only on Saturday rather than all three days.

n Ribs are generally judged cut, as they are sold to the public. But these ribs were taken in slabs to the judging tent and one vendor did the cutting. That person was a winner.

n The winner of the sauce award was a sponsor of the event.

Giglio denied that the judging was rigged. The judges were a professional chef, a lobbyist, a lawyer for the Florida Association of Broadcasters, a Florida teacher, a professional wrestler and a hotel concierge.

"There is NO WAY any of the judges knew whose ribs or sauce was whose and that's what makes the judging fair - just GREAT BBQ TASTE!!" Giglio wrote back.

Giglio repeated Tuesday that there was nothing wrong with the judging. The format, he said, was the same as that used in other competitions.

"As far as our blind ribbing competition was concerned, our judging was done fair and square," Giglio said. "This is the first time we've ever had a complaint."

Giglio put on a similar event last year in Brandon.

Pinellas Park, as a co-sponsor of the three-day competition, has received much of the e-mail and several calls about the event.

"It was bizarre," city spokesman Tim Caddell said. Caddell said he plans to respond to Rice's original e-mail, thanking the owner for the information but stressing that the city really had nothing to do with setting the rules for the event.

It is too soon to say whether Pinellas Park would hold another barbecue competition, Caddell said. He plans to meet next week with Giglio to discuss what worked and what did not.

If nothing else, the festival was instructive, he said. One lesson was that Pinellas Park can successfully hold a gated event and charge admission. Another is that it is frustrating when something happens and city officials have no control over rules, vendors or other details.

The most surprising lesson was that barbecue competitions are not casual affairs.

"These people take this stuff way seriously. I didn't realize," Caddell said. "I thought it was a kind of a friendly competition. Evidently I was mistaken."

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It would be nice if they mentioned these ribberfests are not contests,but public feeding events.

It allows mass marketers a chance to steam several thousand pounds of ribs,coat them with barrels of sweet sauce,and finish them on a grill, as they need them.

It would have been nice to see the judges'samples picked up by unidentified folks, from the piles being sold to the public.

Delivered to the judges and let them take a swing at it. Big Grin
Well guys I was there and I can tell ya I think Tom hit it on the head when he said "...a chance to steam several thousand pounds of ribs..." If that is Q I'm a monkey's uncle~~!

After trying a little of this and a little of that I think I will just skip the next event and stick to my own backyard.
The only competition is to see which vendor can get the best/highest traffic spot to shovel out the most ribs to the unsuspecting public and take off to another state-fast.

These ribfests are often in non bbq regions of the country.

It is a circuit ,just like carnival cook trailers,that hit all the fairs in the summer.

The vendors either pay flat fee to "compete"/sell,a percent of total sales[if tickets are used vs. cash],or a combo.

Some organizers, at sanctioned events, will allow comp teams to vend,if they choose.

Often the organizer will have a barbecue vendor and some vendors of other type foods.


Most teams don't,as their focus is on presenting the best possible entry to experienced judges,trained to look for certain standards.

Some contests may have each team cook a butt,which is put out for a"people's choice" event.

Here ,for a couple dollars,you can taste every cooks offering and vote your favorite.

As to their rigs,Macdonald's has expensive sites/buildings and holds records for volume served. Eeker

Hope this helps a little. Smiler
RB don't feel bad....I guess I did not spend enough time at the beer tent~~!

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed walking around meeting and talking with folks. However, as for most of the items I tried... well to do a take off of Tom... I could have save monies going to McDonalds.

I'm sure you know the place Hickory Smoke House on 34th street North. 20 years ago when Calvin was still alive that place had some decent Q for an open pit. Today it is just a convenance. Nevertheless, I do believe their ribs are better than anything I had at the fest. Oh don't get me wrong. Their peanut butter pie is still pretty good and the beer is still cold. Big Grin
raiderbill,
for a good hoot try this one.
in st augustine they have a similar contest every year called rythmn and ribs.
the very same teams you listed were here last april.
it is put on by the local kiwannes club.
when we had the graphics applied to our trailer the owner said man we need a local team in our contest and gave us a contact name.
peg contacted them and was told "we know what kind of competitions you do but the out of state teams draw better"
we called our graphics guy and he hit the roof!!!
this year they were down to 4 teams. attendance was way down but peg and i had fun sampling things wearing our team tee shirts Big Grin
sure made a bunch of vendors nervous!!!!
jack
ps. just to give you an idea of how bad it was. one of bbq's truly nice guys "billy bones" has not done this contest in 2 years. but when we were thinking of getting into the business he talked to us for over 3 hours!!!! so whilea lot of these guys are just vendors we got really lucky and were able to talk to a true bbq guy
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peg contacted them and was told "we know what kind of competitions you do but the out of state teams draw better"
Why does this not surprise me...
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this year they were down to 4 teams. attendance was way down but peg and i had fun sampling things wearing our team tee shirts Big Grin
I bet you laugh your shorts off~~!
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one of bbq's truly nice guys "billy bones" has not done this contest in 2 years. but when we were thinking of getting into the business he talked to us for over 3 hours!!!!
This IMO is what it should be about. This billy bones sounds like he believes what I've said many times... we are all just smokers under the sun. However, we that believe this way I'm afraid are a dieing breed.
Hey Old man! Yepper been to the smoke house on 34th st. Not bad If I'm down that way.
I found another place this week over by Clearwater mall, smokey bones, It appears to be a chain type resturant but the St Louis ribs and pulled pork was good. Ribs were small, was supposed to be a half rack but looked more like 1/4 rack.
Tomorrow I'm going back to the BBQ 2 Go wagon and see if I can get his recipe for sauce.

We have enough people around this area we should have a local get together? Cool
oldman,
billy writes a monthly column in the national bbq news. his best one in the past year was about a nudist bbq cook off idea (tongue in cheek of course i think). if you ever get a chance to meet him don't hesitate to talk to him. he has a wealth of knowledge and even though he is a southern pride man he had lots of nice things to say about cookshack both the sm and fec models and said for our use he couldn't think of anything better in our tiny trailer
pretty kewl dude!!!!
jack
Yep,they are part of the Darden restaurant group.

They have about 125 with another 30 due this year.

They have a fine cookteam ,as well.

The fact that they have pulled pork and cold beer has caused Sonny's to get in that ballgame.

They are also Red Lobster,Olive Garden ,Bahama Breeze,China Garden,a couple hundred Burger Kings,etc.

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