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I tried to make chuckies today following the process described in this topic PICS -- How to make Chuckies (Smoked Chuck Roast).

I had two 3.75 lb pieces of 4 inch thick chuck roast. I applied rub liberally then let them sit in the refrigerator for several hours, then I took them out, stuck my probes in them, and immediately put them in my Amerique. The probes read an initial internal meat temperature of 36 degrees straight from the refrigerator. I set the smoker temperature at 180 degrees.

It has now been 12.5 hours and the internal temperature of the meat is still showing under 140 degrees. The Amerique probe stuck into one of the pieces of roast reads 137 degrees. The external probe in the other piece of meat reads 139.

Food is supposed to be in the danger zone no more than 4 hours to avoid toxic levels of bacteria. This meat has been in the smoker at an ambient 180 degrees for 12.5 hours and it is still in the danger zone.

So I'm going to throw this meat out and start over when I can find some more thick chuck roasts. I've never had this kind of problem before. I've never had to throw out meat due to excessive dawdling in the danger zone. It is disheartening, but I'm just not going to risk eating this meat.

To avoid this situation the next time I think I should set my cooker temp higher. Do you think 225 would do the trick? That is the temperature I generally use for both pork shoulder and brisket, and I've never had one take more than four hours to get to 140 at that smoking temp. I would think 225 would work for chuckies too, but this is my first time to ever try to smoke one.


By the way, I recently tested all my thermometers and they are within a degree or two of each other and to a reference mercury thermometer that I use in my darkroom. I also checked the temp of the inside of the smoker just now with a regular oven thermometer and with a third remote probe thermometer with the probe just dangling in the air above the meat. They both display the same temperature as the Amerique control panel display (varying from 179 to 181) and track with it closely as it changes.


Has anyone else ever had a problem like this? Is it just a bad idea to smoke a four inch thick piece of meat at such a low temp (180 degrees)?
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You probably should have posted this in that thread, to help any others out.

In the original photos, I said "smoke until it hits 170" I didn't say smoke AT 170.

I said the whole process should take 2 to 3 hours (then 2 to 3 hours more)

Later after someone asked a question I added

quote:
Smoke on 180 to 200 for 3 hours.


I did say smoke at a set temp, but I also gave a set time.

Here's what I'd say should have happened based on your info and the post.

1. Smoke at 170 for 2 or 3 hours (depends on amount of wood smoke flavor you want)
2. At 2 to 3 hours, cut it up, place in pan add au jus
3. Monitor the food. Test the meat once an hour and when it's tender, that's the time to pull. Typically it's 2 to 3 hours.

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Is it just a bad idea to smoke a four inch thick piece of meat at such a low temp (180 degrees)?


Yes, it's a bad idea to do it for 12 hours. You just missed the point about bumping the temp.

I'll go in and add a disclaimer. It's too bad it happened to you, but I'll modify the post to help others learn your lesson.

Sorry it happened.
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Thanks for the analysis, Smokin.

I didn't originally post in the other thread because I didn't want to mess it up with my weird experience just in case my results had nothing to do with the process. But since it turns out to be related to my misunderstanding of the process, you can merge this thread in with the original if you think it will help someone else.

I read the original thread several times, and I focused on the temperature goal and discounted the timings because I'm used to smoking by temp, not by time, as is generally recommended.

I read this from the first post:

quote:
Smoke until the meat hits 170.


and

quote:
Typically takes 2 to 3 hours, then pan then 2 to 3 hours more.


and then from a later post:

quote:
Smoke on 180 to 200 for 3 hours. Follow the rest of the instructions, put it back into the smoker, increase the temp to 250.


So what seemed important to me was "until the meat hits 170" and "on 180 to 200", and then I discounted the timing estimate to get to 170 because "typically takes 2 to 3 hours" doesn't mean that it necessarily will. All meat is different, and I've come to understand that "it's done when it's done.", so I ignore timing when the critical aspect is a desired meat temperature.

In this case, it turns out that the time is apparently more important than the temp. That's my new understanding, I hope that's right.

Lesson learned, or at least experience gained. I will try again.
Hang in there SkipQ, it took Pags twice to understand the hard instructions Smokin' gave...LOL...Ya know, it must be the college Professor in Smokin' that makes it hard for us common peasants to understand, oh well, experience has always been my best teacher! I'm gonna have to try those chuckies myself, he makes them look so good.

Have a happy holiday!
Armed with my newfound understanding, I gave it another try yesterday with a 5.25 pound 4 inch thick chuck roast, and it came out darned good. It took 12.5 hours though, still longer than I figured it would. At least it was out of the danger zone in 3 hours.

If I do it again (when chuck is on sale maybe) I'll use a bit less liquid when I chop it and put it in the pan. I overdid the au jus addition, a bit. The flavor and tenderness was great, though.
Glad it worked. Sometimes it's tough figureing me out. Trying to decipher my text -- it always makes sense to ME LOL. 11000+ posts, I'd go nuts and I'm sure you did too trying to read my stuff sometimes.

Look at the change I made over on that thread, at the bottom below the photo.

I'd not that hard, it's not a recipe, it's a method. You have to adjust somewhat. Smoke for x hours, cut cut, cook until done. Don't get caught up in exact temps for meat, etc. Just a lot of variation.

I don't get how it takes 12 hours. Something is off. I've never had them take more than 6.

If you smoke it for 3 hour, then cut up, it took 9 more hours?

Something's different???

Russ
I read your update in the other thread, Russ, and that is how I did it. This stuff's great on a bun!

I'd love to understand why it took as long as it did. Late this evening when I have some free time, I will post my exact process and my detailed smoke log. Perhaps that will lead to some insights.

I really appreciate all the help and advice and encouragement.

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