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Okay, we've done over 30 boston butts and shoulders and we are throwing all the time/pound charts in the TRASH.

Every size from 4 lb trimmed butts to 12 lb picnic shoulders. Whether the calculations say 6 hours or 10 hours, we are going WAY beyond to 12 or 16 hours respectively.

CULPRIT: We are finding that taking our meat directly from the fridge to the smoker is the chief cause of the problem.

SOLUTION: We are now letting our final 4 hours of brining or rub occur at room temperature. So instead of starting at a 35 F internal temp, we are starting at 50 or 60 deg F. Big difference which plays out in HOURS of added smoker times.

Additionally, instead of leaving the product in the 215 deg F smoker for an extra 4-6 ours in useless attempt to hit 185 (which we NEVER have), we are raising the smoker to 225 deg F.

If you leave the product in the smoker for 4-6 extra hours trying to get to pulled-pork temps, your product will end up like a nerf football and be dry and ruined. Now, if we are finding we cant hit final temp, we remove from the smoker after the calculated time, and finish in a low oven and that does the trick.

Like I said, we smoke every weekend, winter and summer. This problem still exists. It has nothing to do with the probes (trust me we have dozens), nor outdoor temps, nor the electricity (we are direct wired to the building). SM025

We'd love to hear the arguements ensue from this common problem. Smiler
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I have been smoking for years (new to Cookshack), but I have been cooking at 250 for about 4 years now and the butts (avaerage 6-8 lbs) take 7.5-9 hours. It still comes out as tender as when I cooked at 225 and comes out alot sooner. I usually let it sit out of the frig for about 30 minutes prior to putting in. Average temp going in is 35-40.
You don't mention what you are cooking on and that might help us answer questions.Most folks find a butt to be the most forgiving of any product we can cook.
CGDC gave a simple ,easy approach that many use and would be almost impossible to mess up.

I'm no expert ,but I have cooked with a bunch of them and I'd recommend reading and following Smokin's Pork 101.

Enjoy.
I have an SM020 and have never had a problem. I'll pull it from the fridge straight into the smoker the night before at 180. When I wake up in the morning I bump up the temp to 235. Always done by dinner time with an internal temp of 195-200. If I need the butt for lunchtime, I'll start it out at 235 the night before.

You're not opening the door and checking it throughout the day are you? If you're looking, you're not cooking. I open my door once after I've put it in and that's to take it out.

Actually, after re-reading your post, it sounds like the butts are in the plateau stage. Usually around 170, they'll sit there for hours and hours without the temperature moving. Temp may even go down. That's when all the magic is happening. Just let them keep going, you won't dry it out.
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Originally posted by AndyJ:
I have an SM020 and have never had a problem. I'll pull it from the fridge straight into the smoker the night before at 180. When I wake up in the morning I bump up the temp to 235. Always done by dinner time with an internal temp of 195-200. If I need the butt for lunchtime, I'll start it out at 235 the night before.


This is my approach too, and they turn out great. If you haven't, read Pork Butt 101 and learn about the plateau. Probe test the meat at 192* to see if it slides through easily. If not, cook some more. If so, pull.
midtown were it me, I'd verify the following temps in an empty smoker: 200, 225, 250, 275, 300. That would rule out a problem with the heating element.

IMHO 215 is too low for PB's. Once you've verified temps. try 1 7-8# PB at 250 and don't peek until it reaches 190. Barring a faulty element, it will get there.

Hope that helps.
Andy, Max, Pags... THANKS.

I like the plateau effect. Yes I am stuck there.

I also like the suggetion to start at 180 and bump to 235. I've been religiously setting at 215.

Max: The element tests out fine. It holds temp very well. I was maybe thinking the wattage was too small (750W) for 25 lbs of product, but I will talk to cookshack directly on that.

Just to prove to myself again we are not crazy. We smoked a 6 lb boston butt last night, 215F. In at 10 pm, it is 11 am right now and the temp is 170.

I will read the 101 thing, raise temps to get over the plateau.

This forum is great, smart people working on the same problems...all trying to get great results.

Love you all, if you help me get through the temp problem, beers are on us.
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Originally posted by midtown bistro:
The element tests out fine. It holds temp very well. I was maybe thinking the wattage was too small (750W) for 25 lbs of product, but I will talk to cookshack directly on that.

Just to prove to myself again we are not crazy. We smoked a 6 lb boston butt last night, 215F. In at 10 pm, it is 11 am right now and the temp is 170.

You've got plenty of wattage, last weekend for the 4th I cooked 13lbs of butts and 13.5lbs of brisket at the same time. No problems.

Bump up the heat to 235 and just leave it alone until it hits 195-200.
Hmmm... Beers are on you? I take it that means you finally hit pulling temp without the use of your oven? How long was the final cook time?

Don't be afraid to post questions, someone will chime in with some good advice. Reading your original post, you've done 30 butts without hitting pulling temp. I would have asked long long before now.

Glad things finally worked out.
Putting it in cold isn't the culprit, it's the 215 temp. If you're wanting to pull the pork when it reaches 195 to 200, it will definitely take longer.

One caution. Once you PB hits 40, you're in the danger zone. I'd never recommend doing that. Let it come to 40, then put in, but don't leave it on the counter for 4 or 5 hours above 40 degrees (you didn't say how long it was there, above 40). Basic food safety.


As far as PB 101, nope haven't recommended a temp, but I do my butts at 250.

The argument for temp depends on your cooker. People like to put them in cold to allow smoke to penetrate longer. If you NEED more smoke, start lower and when it reaches 150, bump the temp up. The idea is that smoke penetrates at lower temps and once it hits the 140/150's then it can't penetrate. It WILL adhere to the outside throughout the cook.

Also, NEVER go with someone else's times and temps. You results WILL vary. Why? Depends on the actual smoker, how much you open the door, etc. etc. Use them as guidelines, but what you should have done for those 30 PB is track your own times and temps. You'd have a pretty good idea of your own T/T.
I am smoking on the same model as the OP. I put in 35 pds of PB and Shoulders at 225*. I never peaked once and they all reached 190-200 range in 14-16hrs. The only variance was size and whether they were on the bottom or top rack. No complaints. Slow, low, lots of patience and a few micro brews and you will be eating the best pulled pork. Don't open that door and trust your temps.
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Originally posted by AndyJ:
I have an SM020 and have never had a problem. I'll pull it from the fridge straight into the smoker the night before at 180. When I wake up in the morning I bump up the temp to 235.


I do the opposite, I put 'em in before bedtime @ 250 and when I get up I foil wrap and hold @ 190 till eating time. Starting with low temps doesn't give me the smoke I prefer.

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