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I have read several posts lately that mentioned "foiling ribs." I have been BBQing ribs for several years, first on the grill, then on my ECB and now in my ST. I have never foiled ribs.

My ribs turn out great, tender, moist and falling of the bone if I choose to cook them that long.

My bark could be a little crustier but I can certainly live with what I am turning out.

So, a few of you guys & gals please tell me what I am missing by not foiling -- Please...?

Thanks in advance for all responses! Big Grin
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This is what you are missing, hour by hour.

Hour 3, take ribs out of smoker, get out juice, wrap ribs in foil with juice, place back on racks, shut smoker door, go clean up kitcken.

Hour 4, take ribs out of smoker, unfoil, pour out juice, place back on smoker, shut smoker, go clean up kitcken.

Hour 5, your regular routine.

So you are missing out on 2 kitchen cleanings and about 45mins of extra work.

Why not just put a pan of apple juice on the bottom rack of the cookshack. I think it works the same as foil does. It steams the ribs!
Foil: it steams the ribs. Just that simple. Cookshack is a moist cooker, but an open pan of liquid at 225-250 degrees does not create much steam, mostly water vapor. By tightly enclosing the meat in a sealed environment at the same temperature, you produce some steam. I don't see the problem with extra work.
Rack of ribs in the smoker, set 250 for three hours. Take a large piece of foil outside with some sauce and a brush, evaluate them, sauce them, seal them in foil, back in the smoker for one to two hours. Rest in the foil. Just the way I like them every time.
But some folks may prefer crispy or firm to steamed, fine. Criticize the final product if you must, but not the technique.
Heck, one of the local chains around here has batter-fried ribs. Lunatic or genius?
When I lived down South, we used to visit a back country rib shack. It had a dirt floor, cinderblock walls up to your waist, and screens from there to the roof. The roof was tin, with a hole in the middle big enough to let the smoke out. The pit was about 12 feet long and waist high. The ribs were placed at one end and the fire was at the other with a fan behind it to push the heat and smoke up through the meat. The ribs took about three hours to cook, had a wonderful crusty bark on them and were moist and tender. They never foiled the ribs. I have been trying to recreate that taste and form for 20 years and have finally done so with my Cookshack smoker. No need to foil in the Cookshack. If you do you are essentially steaming the ribs and there goes your crusty bark. Just my .02 cents
I'm not saying that there is never a place for foil .

If you have a real dry cooker,that flows a lot of air,it can be helpful.

If you are a pure stick burner,and are having oversmoking problems,it can be helpful.

If you are behind on your cook time,the steaming/braising can speed it up.

The CS cooks so moist that many folks open the door some to let out the moisture.

Not that you can't use some variation of the 3-2-1 method,but I always recommend that folks learn how to cook on their cookers,before they start trying all the tricks that are out there.

Just my $0.02
I cook ribs both with and without foil. My comp rib recipe is based on foiling for a part of the cook. And since I have been doing fairly well with the comp ribs, I have no plans on changing that.

If I am just cooking at home and don't feel like going through the comp process, I will just cook them without. And they come out fine.
Foiling and Steam...cogitating this subject...the following relates to water, but water/moisture is very related to cooking basics. The same process happens to anything cooked/held at or above 212˚ (generally accecepted steam ˚ depending on altitude and barometric pressure).

I found this interesting...

Steam: As the temperature increases and the water approaches its boiling condition, some molecules attain enough kinetic energy to reach velocities that allow them to momentarily escape from the liquid into the space above the surface, before falling back into the liquid.

Further heating causes greater excitation and the number of molecules with enough energy to leave the liquid increases. As the water is heated to its boiling point, bubbles of steam form within it and rise to break through the surface.

Considering the molecular structure of liquids and vapours, it is logical that the density of steam is much less than that of water, because the steam molecules are further apart from one another. The space immediately above the water surface thus becomes filled with less dense steam molecules.

When the number of molecules leaving the liquid surface is more than those re-entering, the water freely evaporates. At this point it has reached boiling point or its saturation temperature, as it is saturated with heat energy.

Enthalpy of evaporation or latent heat (hfg)

This is the amount of heat required to change the state of water at its boiling temperature, into steam. It involves no change in the temperature of the steam/water mixture, and all the energy is used to change the state from liquid (water) to vapour (saturated steam).

The old term latent heat is based on the fact that although heat was added, there was no change in temperature. However, the accepted term is now enthalpy of evaporation.

Like the phase change from ice to water, the process of evaporation is also reversible. The same amount of heat that produced the steam is released back to its surroundings during condensation, when steam meets any surface at a lower temperature.

This may be considered as the useful portion of heat in the steam for heating purposes, as it is that portion of the total heat in the steam that is extracted when the steam condenses back to water.

The above from Steam
Wheelz,

While tenderization is a part of foiling, I think in my situation it is more of getting a couple more layers of flavor on the ribs with ingredients that I could not put on without the foil. Plus, the process really seems to help the overall color of the finished ribs also.

Should also point out that when the ribs come out of the foil, I put them back in the smoker to firm up some.

Don't ask what indredients as DrBBQ swore me to secrecy. Big Grin
Coming from a recent ex-BGE user who has been using the CS Smokette for years as well, in regards to "foiling" here are a few comments:

In the BGE, I usually used the 3-1-1 method (in relation to cooking time in hours) at 220 degrees. The ribs were great, but, each time I opened the lid on the BGE, I extended the cooking time.

With the CS, I have never "foiled" the ribs. For the most part, you can leave them in the CS for 4 to 4.5 ours at 225 degrees, and get a beautiful, tasty product.

Remember the old adage that if you have to boil your ribs before cooking (in the CS, on a grill, or in an oven) that you are not making BBQ? I think it applies here. What you are doing when you foil your product is steaming it, which is almost like boiling your ribs

The advantage to "foiling" ribs in the BGE was that you could turn up the heat or change from indirect to direct heat after the "foil" part of the cooking to get a crispy exterior.
again, each time you opened the lid, you extende d the cooking time.

The advantage, IMO, to using the CS to smoke the ribs, is that it is already a moist envirnment, and is amenable to a bit of "overcooking" without ruining the result.

I have had people over for dinner and cooked ribs in the CS and the BGE with the intention of getting their comparisons of the ribs from each cooker. For the most part, people could not tell much of a difference in the flavor or look of the ribs. Some even preferred the CS ribs to the BGE.

I am not trying to diss the BGE. I recently sold it to get a gas grill. As I have matured (in age and in BBQ cooking) I find that the simple way to get an excellent product is the way to go.

To make a long answer short, I do not see any advantage to "foiling" ribs! Maybe, it makes the cook think he is doing something that enhances his product, or his explanation to his guests on what he did to produce what they are about to eat? Try a taste test on some ribs with and without foiling and see what you think.
Hi All,

Isn't foiling known as a "Texas crutch"?

I understand that it is used when:

1. The ribs are too dry and you want to moisten them up, or;

2. You want to introduce some more flavour, such as a sauce, or;

3. You're running out of time and you need to speed the process up (as some have already suggested).

I've basted and foiled ribs in my Amerique after 4 hours ,and left them for another hour before serving - they're good, but not out of this world.

Given some of the posts here, I'll try them next time without foiling (and membrane side up as one poster suggests) - I'll be interested to see the difference.

Part of the fun is sharing and experimenting!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AussieQ:
Hi All,

Isn't foiling known as a "Texas crutch"?

I understand that it is used when:

1. The ribs are too dry and you want to moisten them up, or;

2. You want to introduce some more flavour, such as a sauce, or;

As an admitted 'foiler', this is my crime? Wanting moist ribs or wanting to add flavor? (g)

Seriously, folks, I think there is way too much focus on technique when we might ought to be arguing product. Do I want my ribs to 'fall off the bone' as they do in many chain joints? No, but a bunch of people must or they wouldn't serve them that way. Do I want my ribs 'crisped up' on the grill? No, I'll save crispy for Colonel Sanders.

The main thing I get from foiling is consistency and ease of serving. When I cook for myself and my wife, experimentation is fine and so-so results are tolerable, as long as they are edible. Now I am no champion cooker or professional caterer, but the ten or twelve times a year that I cook for a large group my rep is on the line. When I foil and cooler my food I have gained about a three hour window for serving, and anytime in that window that I open those packs the steam and aroma do not disappoint. Some here might take those steamy ribs to a hot grill for a few minutes; more power to them. The final decision on how our barbeque is served is the reason that we are wearing aprons and not wearing bibs.
twofer -- I don't think anyone is arguing. When I started this thread I had read several posts where people had been foiling ribs. I wondered "why."

IMO, this thread has produced some good comments both for and against and has given me a better understanding of why some do foil. Thus I have acheived my goal & gained insight into foiling ribs -- not that it will become my routine.

Keep the thread going if you have more opinions Big Grin

Peace! Wink
Well,I ain't no expert,but I do cook with a few.

Cookshack provides a wonderful tool-the cooker.

The forum offers some direction for folks to learn enough to satisfy their friends and family with their results.

If that is achieved,that is about what most of us can hope for.

Most folks agree that your bad product with a Cookshack,is better than most folks best product.

Always edible.

That said,most folks have heard me recommend to learn to cook with your cooker,and then make adjustments to fit your particular needs.

There must be close to a Gazillion tricks out there,but lots aren't necessary.

I guess what I recommend is don't fix what ain't broke,unless it don't work for you.

Just my $0.02
Sorry about the word 'arguing', I suppose debating would have been less abrasive. I really am just trying to enjoy and share in the knowledge available in this forum (though I will admit GLH has pulled my strings once or thrice Wink). But here's the point: I never heard of or tried foiling until I read about it here, despite my six years on a water-smoker where I probably could have used the help. So if someone says the best thing to do is wrap my ribs in newspaper that has been soaked in liquid smoke (gasp), then foil them and place them in the top rack of the dishwasher with Cascade (lemon), maybe I will have to try it once to see if it is to my liking. After all, I can always use another excuse to cook another rack.
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Originally posted by twofer:
So if someone says the best thing to do is wrap my ribs in newspaper that has been soaked in liquid smoke (gasp), then foil them and place them in the top rack of the dishwasher with Cascade (lemon), maybe I will have to try it once to see if it is to my liking. After all, I can always use another excuse to cook another rack.


You must have read the April fools thread a feww years back. You described almost exactly wht was talked about including the lemon Cascade! LOL.

I understand where you're coming from yet trying to gleen some wisdom from those who foil for good reason & not out of habit. Smiler

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