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With a new baby in the house, I've decided that live fire and hot metal may not be a great idea on the patio. Besides, I'd also like to spend less time tending fires and more time making silly faces at my new daughter. Accordingly, a CS smoker will be added to my stable of outdoor culinary apparati. The question is "which one?"

I've made extensive use of the search feature, so I'm pretty familiar with each of my choices, but I now find myself in the position of having over-researched the whole thing, as I'm apt to do, so I'm looking for some "real world" guidance. I guess the problem is that all my options are good ones. These CS cookers are pretty impressive.

Basically, I've narrowed the selection to the 55, the "new model," or the FEC 100. The 55 is probably all I NEED, so the real question is what do I WANT, and what will keep me happiest in the long term.

As I see it, the 55 will do almost all I really need it to - except for a crisp skin on poultry, which is important to me. Throwing it in the oven or on the grill as an added step to crisp up the skin removes some of the convenience of the pure electric CS offerings. I cook a LOT of poultry.

The "new model" will do the same, but with the ability to fit whole slabs of ribs on the shelves, additional electronic conveniences, supposedly finer temperature control to avoid those swings (I know, but they concern me nonetheless), and a handy little probe that will send that butt into hold when it hits 180 (really seems most useful if you're only cooking one item, though).

Neither of these options will provide a smoke ring without the addition of a charcoal lump or briquette, and I do like a nice smoke ring. I could probably be persuaded to add a piece of lump to the woodbox, but not a briquette. Whenever I'm firing up new coals for my WSMs, I find the smoke from fresh briquettes to be acrid enough to make my eyes water. As a result, I'm a bit reluctant to introduce it into a tightly sealed system like a CS electric cooker, especially given the small size of the exhaust stack.

This brings us to choice 3, the FEC. Now, there's almost no way (outside of realizing my "being the BBQ guy outside the local Home Depot" dream) that I'll ever use its full capacity, or even most of it. However, it's wood fueled, live-fire smoke, which is very appealing to me. It will also give me a crisp skin on poultry and I can use it for roasting, baking and other high temp applications.

However, the FEC is a considerable premium over the others, and the operating cost is presumably a lot higher, too, given the wood pellets. How long does a full hopper of pellets last in a FEC, incidentally?

The FEC also incorporates a number of moving parts, which means a greater number of "things that can fail."

One thing I haven't found any info on is whether the FEC can effectively cold smoke, which is a feature I'd like to have. I've never had any success with cold smoking and I'd like to. Lox and smoked cheese are two things I'd really like to add to my recipe list. Especially lox, which is one of my favorite foods.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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CTSmoke, I would order the 55 and give it a try. It does have a 30 return policy. Chicken skin may be an issue but for many it is not. As far as the "smoke ring" saying it as "real Q", I leave that up to the taste of the final product. Some people seem to be abel to get a smoke ring from using wood pellets in a CS.

A FE is nice but probably more than you need unless you intend to compete.

No matter what you chose I do not think you can go wrong.
CTSsmoke, depends on how much money you want to spend. i have a 08 and it works just fine for what i do. i ordered the 5 rack sys. w/mine which gives me a little more room. i have smoked as many as 4 8lb butts at one time in the 08. if your cooking for only 15 to 20 people i would say the 08 or 09 will be just fine. no matter which one you buy you can't go wrong with cs.
hope this helps you.
j foley
CT, you might want to spend a little time reviewing some of the posts on the FEC forum. I've been wrestling with the same problem you are and have come to the conclusion that the FEC is not as automatic as the 09, 55, or new model would be. There are smoke settings that have to be run for so many minutes at one temperature then set to another temperature for cooking. There are certain tasks to be performed to prevent temperature overshoot on startup etc, etc. For me, a guy who just got rid of his offset, I no longer want to monkey with that sort of thing, that's why I sold the bugger. With the 55 for instance you would just load it, start it then go make goofy faces at your new daughter.

As far as the crisp skin goes, we don't yet know whether of not that will be an issue with the new unit. If the new temp controller will allow higher temperatures then that objection will no longer exist. And that's one of the main reason I'm not making any decisions until the unit is in production and all of the specs are devulged.

Just my two bits worth.
You need about 325 F to get crisp skin on the chicken or turkey, I thought the 55 gets to that temp if I am not mistaken. Maybe one of the Cookshack folks can weigh in here and correct me if I am wrong...seems like on the old web site they use to post the temp ranges the smokers would get to...

Regards,
Preston
CT.

There aren't many people out there who own all of them, so I'm probably in a position to help.

But of course, I have more questions than answers. You point out everything good and bad about both so you'll have to decide. Just remember, you hear a lot more negative in forums that there probably is. I've owned CS's for many years and they're easy to maintain.

First, how much "quantity" do you want to cook? The FE will do more than the others

Second, price. Is price an issue at all?

Third, ease of use. I don't think the FE is advertised as a "set it an forget it" but I don't have a problem with that. It's REAL simple to use once you get over the learning curve.

Smoke Ring is a visual thing. doesn't affect the taste. This is easy to deal with in the CS and doesn't affect the taste with a small amount of lump or briquette in use.

A 20lb bag of pellets will last you "approximately" 1 hour per pound. You can buy them in bulk and save on shipping and several bags will last you all year. There aren't that many moving parts in the FE and given CS's level of Customer Service, I'd be more worried if another company was making them.

You can cold smoke in an FE, but you can't do it with the auger system. The lowest setting is too hot. But you can had a pretty simple cold smoke system if that's really that important, but I don't find a lot of people that cold smoke.

If I had to chose based on what you said, I'd chose the FEC. Mainly for flexibility. But you can do everything you want with a CS, except your point about poultry skin (and do you really eat the skin?) There are differences between them as they are not the same smokers and the results are different also. The FEC tends to be a "drier" smoke since the CS's are a pretty tight design that keeps everything humid.

Just make a list, regardless of smoker of what's important to you. How much you'll smoke, how often, what temp range you'll need, etc.

Good luck in the decision.

Smokin'
Thanks for all the input so far, folks. With respect to the smaller models, I've pretty much concluded that they're a little too small for me, which led me to the three selections I'm currently looking at. I like plenty of space between all my cuts, and on an electric I imagine I'll be wanting to avoid the bottom shelf most of the time.

The 55 is probably the front runner, but if the "new model" has finer temperature control that's very appealing. More so, even, than the probe. And if it (or the 55, even. I hadn't heard that before, Preston) can get hot enough to crisp chicken skin that would be huge for me. I actually thought part of the "chicken skin" issue was at least partially due to the tight seal in the cookers. Any word on that from the CS folks?

Oh, and I've spent a stupid amount of time over at the FEC forums, and although I definitely agree that the FEC will take a bit more oversight, especially at the beginning of the cook, it doesn't seem overly painful - and with the tradeoff being additional flexibility. Plus, I really do like the idea of a live fire provided the fuel cost isn't prohibitive. Cornbread and pizza over a live fire are pretty tasty...

Anyway, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one wrestling with these choices. If they weren't all such good options, this would sure be a LOT easier...
Hi CTSmoke,

Stuart in another post stated that he is going
to get the temp ranges put back on the web site
on the Cookshack models. Another forum member
stated that the 150 model has the top temp of
300 F which will get you the lower end of the
temp range to get crispy chicken skin. Apparently
the 009 and 55 had a max temp of 250 F.

Maybe with the new temp controllers you can
get the temps you want...

Preston
Thanks for weighing in, Smokin'. Input from someone who's used all of these is great.

As far as quantity goes. I usually like to do enough to both eat and freeze, but for me and mine that's still only a couple butts and a couple of briskets, or maybe six chickens or so, maybe a mess of sausage, etc. at a time. In this sense, the 55 is probably plenty. On the other hand, if I had more space I'd probably fill the excess with vegetables and other stuff. Never been an option before.

Price is always an issue, but I'm also pretty philosophical about it. If I'm going to buy the cheaper item, pine after the more expensive one for the next year or so, and then end up buying it anyway, I may as well have bought it to begin with. Cheaper in the long run.

I don't really mind the FEC not being "set and forget." As long as I can get the process started and stabilized the night before, and then hit the sack for the whole night without getting up every hour or so to check temps, then that's all I really expect.

As far as smoke ring is concerned, I totally understand that it won't effect the taste, but right or wrong I really like the appearance it gives to the finished product. Just one of those personal things, I suppose.

On the fuel, about an hour per pound seems pretty reasonable for fuel consumption, and on the auger system it's not that I'm worried about failures per se, it's that I'm worried about the expense of shipping that 400 pound behemoth back to the factory for service IF such a failure occurrs. Everything I've read here suggests that CS service is second to none, so I have a lot of confidence there, but shipping charges halfway across the country are presumably pretty steep.

How does cold smoking work in the FEC? It's the one thing I couldn't figure out from the forums. I thought it was probably a matter of putting some kind of ice bath in there as a heat sink and then cranking it to smoke for a short period and then off with the stack mostly covered. Honestly, the only thing I'm likely to cold smoke is salmon for lox, but I'd really, really like that ability. Lox is one of my favorite foods, and I like the idea of making it at home.

I confess I do eat the skin on chicken. Honestly, I could live without it, but I'm not sure my wife could. She loves the stuff. I think of it mostly as something to keep the moisture inside the bird, and I tend to eat it primarily "because it's there." I guess I could lose it if I needed to. She shouldn't eat it anyway for cholesterol reasons.

When you say the FEC is drier, you sort of confirmed a suspicion of mine from looking at the design. What effect does this have on the cooking process, say vs. a pure electric CS? I certainly have some experience with dry systems from my stick-burner, but that usually just meant adding a water pan or foiling. Anything different to watch out for with a FEC?
ctsmoke,
hope you don't mind me weighing in on your question.
peggy and i own both an sm150 and fec100.
to be honest the reason for this was she was a little intimidated by the fec so we compromised and got one of each (best thing i ever did)
while the fec is legal for competition and will reach a higher temp, the more i use the 150 the more respect i have for it!!!!
to give you an idea peg entered us into the super tailgate mania chicken wing competition that the united way had here over superbowl weekend. this was against my objections since i knew everyone would have fryers.
to make a long story short we used her sm as the primary cooker and the fec as a holding unit. she ran the sm at max temps and used pellets for smoke.
we placed 2nd behind sunset grill but ahead of hilton hotel and hooters among others.
while the wings did take a little longer they did achieve an exceptable to the judges skin profile.
while i don'y know if this is the info you are looking for i hope it helps some.
jack
ps. almost forgot. while the sm door skin does heat up i think with a youngster around it still falls into an exceptable area. even at max temps and hours of running i can hold my hand on both the door and the top for minutes at a time
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Originally posted by prisonchef313:
[qb] ctsmoke,
hope you don't mind me weighing in on your question.[/qb]
On the contrary, I appreciate the input. In fact, I've read your other posts about owning both models and they were very informative.

The only thing I was left wondering was whether the different electronics on commercial units like the SM150 would result in a different finished product than the home models. I looked briefly at the SM76, but decided that if I was going to lay out that many greenbacks I'd probably go with the FEC just for the live fire.

Believe me, if I thought I could get away with two I would, but my guess is that it might lead to an "upset of domestic tranquility." Smiler

Now, if I could only convince my wife to get involved with barbecue...

Congrats on those wings!
ctsmoke,
if you want to get her involved here is what worked for me.
at our 1st contest i got stressed out which was kinda strange since i had done acf competitions.
peg asked "can i help??"
told her sure chicken is yours
and we have never looked back
and i still don't give her advice on chicken lol Wink
jack
ps. reading between the lines of your posts you really want an fec. the pellets cost me 85 cents per hour of run time when doing chicken. electric cost is almost nil since the fec only draws 50 watts when running (less than a 60 watt light bulb). the sm1500 draws 1500 watts and for me the cost is higher since i run on generators. gennie that runs the sm leg will use about 2 gallons more in 8 hours which gives me a cost differential of about $5.84/8 hours of smoking.
the front on the fec gets a little warmer than the sm but not appreciably so and i feel it would still be ok around a toddler as you would have a little time to get them away
good luck on your choice. either way you can't go wrong
Hi ya'll

My first post here.

I am also thinking of getting a CS smoker--mainly because of this awesome forum and the community.

This thread (and forum) has answered many questions for me, but I have at least one more.....

Which smoker produces the best BBQ? The SM055, the SM075, the NEW One, or the FEC 100 ?

I am hoping for the best Texas style Brisket I can get. Pork and then poultry are secondary but important priorities. It's just not clear to me whether the differing smokers produce significantly different tasting/quality BBQ, or the models mainly differ in convenience, reliability, features, etc.. I do like a juicy brisket with bark or burnt ends on it, but not sure if a smoke ring is important.

P.S. I don't yet have a smoker, but I am looking forward to my first one!

Thanks!
lauren,
man that's a hard question. myself i find that the brisket in the sm equals the fec on most occasions but then again i do the open the door to vent off some moisture thing.
taste between the fec and sm is the same.
i will say i fiddle with the fec more since it is kinda drier but i found an ez way around the take it out and wrap in foil thing. i use disposable hotel pans and a french fry grid and cook the brisket in that. then all i have to do is use one sheet of aluminum and voila instant crutch.
either way i don't think that you can go wrong. you will just have to keep notes and change your cooking style a little at the start and from there it is all skittles and beer
hope this helps some
jack
You're pretty good at reading between the lines, Jack.

It's true that all things being equal I'd take the FEC, but I'm just not sure I can justify the extra cost given my actual needs. Plus, given that I'm switching from charcoal/stick-burners for convenience and extra free time, there's something to be said for going all the way down the "set it and forget it" path.
Thanks jack and CT

So is it fair to say that the FEC allows unskilled newbies to produce better and more consistent results than the SM?

Also, I'm trying to understand jack's "dry" comment? I know of a BBQ place in Castroville, CA (Central Texas BBQ). It has very dry brisket (very dry). I prefer moister briskets. Is that the kind of difference in dryness you are talking about, or does the sma nd FEC differ only slightly? (i.e. can you get moist brisket in an FEC)?

thanks

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