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I have had very nice results w/ whole PB, fat side down, 225* oven, etc. Tender and juicy - all that.

Recently I reread this from the virtualweber site:
"I subscribe to the preparation method I learned at the Paul Kirk Pitmaster Class in 1997, which is to remove the fat cap and any large areas or pockets of external fat that can be easily trimmed away, then apply the rub. The logic behind this method is that:

1) Smoke and rub won't penetrate the external fat.
2) It takes more time and fuel to cook a pork butt with all the fat intact.
3) Unlike a brisket flat, which is quite lean and benefits from the protection that a layer of fat offers, a pork butt contains a tremendous amount of intramuscular fat, so the roast essentially "self-bastes" from the inside out.
4) After many hours of cooking, much of the external fat renders away, and you're not going to eat the fat that's left--you're going to cut it away and discard it.
5) Removing the external fat allows for the formation of more dark, flavorful outside meat that people enjoy so much."

#1-4 sounds a little like a cook's opinion(yada yada) but #5 has got me interested.

Plan to try this method for next PB cook. Will let you know if more bark = dry product.

Is there anyone doing this(removing cap) with favorable results?
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I think the title of this thread is a little off - well, maybe.

It's always been my opinion that White & Brown referred to the color of the finished meat product, not the bark. A butt has both white & dark (or darker) meat, the dark being a bit more juicy. Probably two different kinds of muscle.

I love the bark too, best part of the butt. In my opinion "Mr. Brown" refers to dark muscle meat.

Maybe one of the big-guns will chime in and get more specific. Wink
Well. I always thought "Mr. Brown" referred to the bark. I know I could have found it here but I went to Virtual Weber to confirm (one way or the other). I went to Pork Butt and copied this directly:

"Mr. Brown" Or "Bark"
The terms "Mr. Brown" or "bark" describe the dark brown outside meat of barbecued pork butt that is so flavorful. Make sure that each of your guests gets some of this meat in their serving of pulled pork.

You knew this Wheelz. Just one of those lapses I seem to be getting more of these days. Big Grin
I do stand corrected! From Smokin's PB 101:

QUOTE "I'm not a fan of foil, but it does a great job of keeping the moisture in. My complaint is that I want some of the "renowned Mr. Brown" bark with my butt, and you can't get that with foil - it's too "mushy". It's also hard to get some mop onto the meat. A good vinegar based mop does wonder for pulled pork."

Therefore, the bark "IS" Mr. Brown!
Don't be quoting me wheelz, you'll get me in trouble. Shoot, that was written last century.

I've heard it two ways:

1. Mr. Brown is the bark

2. Another way I heard (but I'm not from the Hog Central area of the carolina's) is that the Mr. Brown/Mrs. White reference to the meat itself, nothing to do with the bark. There are actually two textures/color of the cooked meat. Some might be referred to as dark vs white.

In all fairness, they're both right.

p.s. The Jamison's in Smoke & Spice call describe Mr. Brown as the bark
Let's see, where to start. Well, I always took the "Mr. Brown" to mean the dark outside bark on a finished pork butt. It did not refer to the white and dark meat inside a butt.

The money muscle is the striated strip of meat along the end of the butt opposite from the bone end of the butt. This meat is exceptionally tender when cooked properly. In fact, some teams will cook one butt to the finishing temp of the money muscle and use that butt for just the money muscle as the rest of the butt will still not be tender enough. Then they cook another butt to the finishing temp for the whole butt for the rest of their contest entry.

I know of some teams that will use only the money muscle and the triangular piece of dark meat that is in the bone as this is another very tender and tasty piece of pork.

The only time that we use all of the meat for turn-in is when we put a layer of chopped or pulled in the bottom of the box to life up the rest of the meat presentation.

Hope this helps some. Tom will chime in at some point.
Well now,I ain't no "Big Gun",but I have cooked with a bunch.

IMO several of the folks here are partly/mostly correct.

I have had the good,or bad ,fortune to travel the whole South for well over 30 yrs and sought out bbq joints ,,

Other than NC,I very rarely heard the terms mentioned.

I can't ever remember them from cooks ,or judges.

Never in the rest of the country.

Next,some of the folks/writers we hear quoted,are taking bits and pieces of info that they may not really understand. Roll Eyes

The quotes may come from folks in NC that are cooking whole hog, and they may serve Mr Brown-which is difficult to achieve on hog skin,and the split side of the hog may be mostly steam cooked.

The interior can have rub,and it can be burnt/crispy in places.Mr Brown?

Traveling that area,it differed from joint to joint. Confused

Some joints may put the whole hog out in a big tray and you pick your pork.

Some use two cleavers,to finely shred the whole hog.

Others use a Hobart buffalo chopper,which eats a large butt at one bite.

Finer than hamburger.

Can't figure how this could be named.,anything.

The other side of NC cooks shoulders,and they talk some about Mr Brown and Miss White.

Some folks get a heavier dose of bark mixed into whatever is attached.

Yep,there is light and dark in a whole butt,and they taste somewhat different.

The bark can be a very small thing,a great thing,or a bad thing.

IMO eating straight bark,could be dried,oversmoked,overseasoned,oversalted.

Like the cooks here suggest,mixing in the flavorful bark laden pieces with the nonbark interior pieces could give a balance of moisture,pork flavor,flavor of the seasonings and smoke,and texture.

Makes sense when I eat.

As to what we all put in the box,only what we want the judge to sample.

They will take some of everything.

Anything less than the best,we can't risk a lower score on.

Memphis in May is an all pork contest and fully covers what many think of as the "Southern BBQ Belt.

They traditionally put half bark laden pieces in the box.

They then may add the other couple colors,maybe displayed in different manners.

I feel that the money muscle use came from some of the best MIM cooks and has spread from there.

Some folks will cook three 10 lb butts to get the money muscle to display in the box.

Smokin' could speak better to the area surrounding Kansas City,as they may cut thick,full slices across the best area of the butt.

Maybe a few chunks of bark pieces,maybe some more finely pulled.

Texas and some other areas can't spell pork,and Q joints can't give it away.

Yes ,they cook spares and might slip some ground butts into the beef hot links.

As to trimming,most guys cooking a dozen butts,season them up and cook them.

The slow cooking and the longer we hold them in the plateau,the more fat renders away and collagen breaks down.

If you have a fire to protect from,many put the fat side there.

When I used to cook one,in my Smokette,I'd try to do the very greatest.

I'd trim fat caps-until I'd lose half the pork. Eeker

I'd go with the rumors about top fat basted,as I cooked.

I'd tried 10 different time periods when to put the rub on.

I'd worry which rack,and five degrees difference in temps.

Then I got back to how the Southern cooks did it,when I'd work with them as a kid.
Open the cases of butts-supplied by the local small packing houses.

Fill a tub with rub,and roll the untrimmed butts around,until no more would stick.

Cook indirect, between 200* and 250*,where we could hold the fire.

Take off when you could wiggle,or remove the bone.

Most all the fat disappeared.

Toss all into a large tub to hold,until needed.

Cover with a couple feed sacks.

They take the larger pieces off by hand,throw the few scraps and the bone away.

Chop into chunks with a cleaver,as served.

Now we do about the same,except we have therms.

Big coolers.

My Smokette liked to run at about 235*at the cooking surface.

We may wrap and hold.

We can pull one in a couple mins,and it is difficult to find fat.

Mix the bark-always a bunch, with the pieces of different colors.

Add a little of our rub to taste.

If it has to set,we'll mix a little vinegar sauce-like Smokin's.

Fine eatin'.

If we had to do a case of butts,like I'd worry with one in the smokette,it would take a week. Roll Eyes

We really can't tell any difference,when it comes to eatin'.

Like Smokin' says "try a ten lb butt each way"..

Worry/aggravate one to death with all the tricks and rumors we've read from the "gurus"

Just season the other with all that will stick, and cook it low and slow,until the bone will wiggle out of the butt.

Pull both,toss the scraps,season to taste with your rub

and a few squirts of smokin's vinegar sauce.

Well,I'd better get outa here,before someone accuses me a makin' a Smokin' post. Wink
Uh... Tom.

You could make those SMOKIN posts (for the newbies, that's a reference to some guy who likes to make long posts)... you could make them shorter by not putting a line space between each sentence... LOL

I'll have to go get some coffee and come back and read it.

redoakNC.

Quit askin' Wink

Go out and try it and you tell us. I don't do it, because I get plenty of bark without it. But sounds like it would be okay (unless you're cooking in a vertical smoke and cook fat down to prevent scorching of the meat from the direct heat)

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