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Repost from the BBQ Forum - Re Rule 15

S smokeniceMember
Posted by Merl on May 14, 2009 at 20:04:52:
At the last board meeting the issue of a DQ of an entry in which the Reps determined they could not see 6 separated and identifiable (visible) portions of meat in a container, was discussed. (Rule 15) In fact there were 7 portions in the box.

The Board said the rule is clear and when you cannot visibly see 6 separated and identifiable (visible) portions it is a DQ in appearance.

It was discussed that many cooks try to make their ribs look like a single slab. The Board said that was a rule violation.

This advisory was sent to all Contest Reps:

Subject: Six Identifiable (Visible) Pieces (Rule #15)

Question: What do the reps do when six identifiable pieces are not visible?

Opinion: All judges will give a score of 1 in appearance if due diligence is taken and six identifiable pieces can not be seen. All judges score taste and tenderness unless they did not receive a sample and then that judge would give a 1 in all criteria.

Approved by KCBS Board of Directors, May 12, 2009

The Board did not change any rule. It was the duty of the board to determine if rule 15 was ambiguous or confusing, which it is not. This is not a rule change. The Board said follow the existing rules. Many cooks have been allowed in the past to get by in violation of this rule. Please prepare your entry so as to not violate this rule.

Merl
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FM Former Member
This one I don't get, how is it a violation, I saw 6 boxes cross my table that looked like a slab.

Don't get me started, but we can corner Merl at Claremore today...he'll love it... controversy

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Originally posted by Smoke'n Ice:
...It was discussed that many cooks try to make their ribs look like a single slab. The Board said that was a rule violation.
Merl
T tomMember
I guess then,if you run your butt thru a buffalo chopper,and then compact it down,where there may not be identifiable strands in the two pound box,it is a DQ?

Some of us have judged, where the rib and chicken entries appeared to be a sauce contest. Eeker

I have even seen cooks,not stagger their brisket flat slices,so you are looking down at the bark,with sauce lightly sealing the cuts.

I wouldn't do our box that way,but not because I feared a DQ.

Three skinless breast fillets,have been turned in the same way,so I guess there are only three pieces?

The team went thru the first Certified Table Captain course,a few years ago at Dillard.

I guess Phillip better get out and retrain the Captains?

Well,I guess it is nice to not only keep adding rules,but to continue to make sense of the existing ones,so cooks will really know how to cook a contest. Confused
FM Former Member
The key words are " six identifiable pieces". When I took the judging class by Mike Lake I asked what if, for example ribs were sauced over so it looked like a complete section without cuts, would it be a DQ. The answer was yes. Because there weren't six identifiable pieces.

Then I asked about chopped or pulled chicken, pork and brisket. The answer was that "there should be a reasonable amount of chopped or pulled meat for 6 judges to take samples." To me that statement is sort of ambiguous. I'm a big guy. My sample for tasting is a lot more than a 98 pound weakling. That's why I put 2 pounds of pulled pork in the box. I also make sure there is a separation between ribs and brisket slices. I've seen in turn in boxes 6 piles of pulled pork just to be sure of the rule.

Now here is a loaded statement by me... In my opinion there really isn't a controversy except by individuals that want to stir the pot or bend the rules to suit them.

Like, how can they allow chicken done on a grill in a barbecue contest. Grilling is not barbecue! Yet, they allow grilled chicken. Grillers get the advantage of crisp skin where us true blue Barbecuers put up with so-so skin.

LOL - ROFLMAO - Just stirring the pot.

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