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I need advice: I have an Amerique and this weekend I decided to smoke 4 pork butts and 2 briskets. They actually fit very well in the Amerique. (The weather was warm and a little humid, but this is Colorado) I brined the pork butts for 36 hours and I injected one of the briskets with Butcher BBQ Marinade. Early Sunday morning, I drained and prepped all of the meat with a spicy rub and put it in the smoker by 6:00AM. I set the probe to 190 and the cooking temp at 250, I was going to try a higher cook temp for once (I usually put the meat on the night before and cook at 225. I checked the meat at 10:30 and the cook temp was at 200. I cranked up the cooking temp to 275 and waited an hour...still 204. I opened the door and a huge cloud of steam came out. The meat was steaning, with no bark, this was about noon. I waited another hour and the temp still had not moved. The probe was showing about 155 in a pork butt.

I decided to foil the meat and take it inside to my ovens to get it done in a reasonable time.

I have never had this happen before and I have done about 8 cooks, several with this much meat. I wondered if something was wrong with the cooker, so I tried to bring the temp up with the empty cabinet. This worked very well, I got to 275 easily. I tried putting the probe in a potato and starting over, again no issue bringing the temp up to 275.

I looked for clues, the drip pan was amost full with drippings and I had trimmed most of the meat well, it appeared to be mostly water, not grease.

I am postulating that the brined and injected meat gave up most of the liquid which turned to steam which kept the temp down around 200.

The questions is: How do I prevent this? Is this too much meat for the Amerique? Do I dry the meat out more before I start cooking and lose some of the brine? Do I open the door often to let out steam? Do I cook slower, and longer?

The meat tasted wonderful, pulled well, just no bark. I realize that an Amerique is designed to be a moist smoker, but in this case, it was too moist. I also have a friend that has experienced this with a Model 50 and got discouraged enough to quit using it and went back to his custom stick burner.

I have been thinking about this phenomena, this would also explain some of the cook time issues that people have, a steam cloud has to be dried out before temperatures will increase. Meat with higher moisture content will take longer to dry out, quit producing steam and allow the temp to rise.

I was trying to approach some of the temps that the stick burner guys use to see if I could complete a smoke in the daylight.

Any thoughts or advice to help mitigate this? I do not want to quit brining or injecting, the difference in the flavor is immense.

Regards,

Bill
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We talk frequently about how moist a cooker the CS is. It WILL eventually dissipate and it's designed that way, that extra humidity it what makes the CS work so well.

That much brined/injected butt will give off a lot of moisture.

You can do as GLH said, or open the door at some point and let the moisture out. I do that frequently and especially if it's loaded with a lot of large cuts.
Thanks to everyone for their replies. At the Fast Eddy cooking class in December, I really enjoyed your presentation on brining pork and also Fast Eddy's on injecting the brisket. The difference in the pork was very noticeable. I will always brine from now on, and I am sure that is why I had so much moisture in the cabinet. I also used the Butcher Brisket marinade for the first time and it was magnificent..and added a lot more moisture to the cabinet.
So, I think my effort to smoke faster and brine more and crank it up, drove the moisture out faster and created a steam cloud that held the atmosphere inside of the cabinet to around the temperature of unpressurized steam. Next time, I will go back to cooking slower and perhaps open the door several times for 10 secs or so during the early part of the cook.

Despite the steam, the taste was wonderful and as usual I am the envy of all of my neighbors and patriarch to all of my children.

Thanks Cookshack!
WJR one quick ???

At Fast Eddys class did you cook the brined and injected meat in a FE 100?

I believe those cook a little different than an electric Cookshack as your Americue.

FWIW, If I were you I would ring up Cookshack and ask the professionals there.

Good Luck, keep us posted.

Mike
bbqbull,

Thanks for your thoughts.

We used an FEC 100, an FEC 300 and and FEC 500...it was heaven. The FEC's will not have this problem, they have a continuous stream of air going up a smokestack, any vapor build up would be eliminated. SmokinOkie can verify if I am off base. They cook really well, it is just a different technique. I like my Amerique, I just have to get used to it and I am really loading it up and pushing the limit. For those who do not know, it is very worth while to experiment with brining. SmokinOkie passed samples around of brined and unbrined pork and there was a marked difference in flavor and moistness, you will never go back. The same is true for the Butcher Brisket Marinade..like Fab B..it really makes a big difference.

This whole experiment has convinced me that the moistness of the meat is a major variable in the cooking time of the meats. This seems to be a topic of much conversation. I believe that it would have taken a long time to dry out the steam cloud and the temp would have stayed at that plateau for many hours if I had not opened the door to intercede. Fat content will play a part, but I would bet that moisture content is a bigger variable. I have smoked this much meat before, but never seen this phenomena. I also, have never brined and injected this much before. It would be interesting to instrument a cabinet with a humidistat and experiment with moisture's effect on the plateau we all see. The heating coil can bring an empty cabinet up to 275 in less than an hour, therefore the steam really played a big part.

As far as calling up the cookshack guys, Smokin Okie is one of the main guys answering questions as a Cookshack representative.

For all, this really is an eye opener for me on the differnt variables that affect the length of cooking.

Regards,

Bill
I would not open the door too much, during any cook with your AmeriQue. If you have it loaded full and are cooking between 225 and 250, 1 time of opening the door should do it. Me, I would just be patient. These cookers are supposed to cook with alot of steam if the meat is moist enough to make steam. The steam dissipates as the meat dries out. I think you are trying to re-invent the AmeriQue wheel. Maybe try not to think so much into it and let it do it's job, or trade it in on an FEC.

Cool
Question: Did the Fast Eddy class teach you to brine a pork butt for 36 hours? Curious to me. I've never brined a butt that long, and usually don't brine them at all...just a heavy dose of rub. (and unlike what seems to be current practice, I bring the meat to 'almost' room temp before smoking...1/2 hour out of the fridge at least... FWIW)

I'll brine loins, even chops before grilling them...and of course poultry, but haven't seen much need for a butt, or a picnic to be brined.

As I say, just curious is all.

...and maybe a silly question...did you make a hole in the bottom foil, and as big as you could get it? It does provide some 'flow-through' to the top hole...and of course that wasn't impeded, either, right?
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Originally posted by Thousand Oakie:
Question: Did the Fast Eddy class teach you to brine a pork butt for 36 hours? Curious to me.


I taught the part on brining. No we didn't talk about brining butts and I would not recommend it. A butt is too dense and too big that you have to brine it too long. I would recommend injecting a brine solution however.
Howdy WJR

Just out of curiosity,have you done side by side cooks with brined and unbrined butts?

Also,injecting the brine-as Smokin' suggested.

Smokin' is definitely the master, on brining.

We all learn from him.

Some of that class is geared to comp cooks,where 0.0001 point, out of 180 points, can be a win-or loss.

We will go to EXTREMES. Roll Eyes

There can be a difference among a number of techniques,.

Sometimes it isn't that noticable, on home cooks, and we don't find the difference to be worth the time and effort.

Just a thought,and if it works for you,that is what is important.
Tom,

I confess that I have done more matrix comparison cooking than I care to admit. My background is engineering, so I am guilty of an excess amount of over thinking. I also have an extensive background in the culinary arts.

I have compared brined and unbrined on the same cook several times. The results have been obvious to my tasting subjects. I usually only brine the night before and I do see a difference between injecting and brining on the butts. I diverged on this path because of other research I have done with classical french cooking. Come to think of it, the Fast Eddy class only talked about brining poultry, but I had been brining pork for a lot longer; I made the leap.

Maybe my issue here is I brined too much and had too much retained liquid; it sure is fun to try different things. I did not have mushy pork or a cure like a ham, so it was not over-brined, I had excellent moist, flavorful pulled pork heaven.

BTW, the drain hole was as large as I could get and the drain pan was almost full.
That is why we end with" try things both ways and proceed down the path that works for you".

Many of us will brine today's too lean bred pork loins,whether roasting,frying,occasionally smoking.

yep,I agree it can add some flavor,and give that extra cushion against dryness and allow a slightly higher cook temp, on already too lean meats, such as loins and poultry breast.

IMO ,technique is all about producing what suits you ,and your guests.

Glad to have you with us.

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