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I guess this post is for mnhogfarmer, but anyone with insight would be appreciated.

It was about a month ago I read in the agri buisness section of our paper about a few Montana hog farmers were attempting to bring a breed of swine back to popularity. Now forgive my ignorance, but I believe it was a Berkshire or a Yorkshire.

The story said the meat from these hogs had a better texture and flavor, and even had a little difference in color.

Is this true? Has anyone used this meat for pulled pork and ribs? And finally, what is your opinion on this meat?
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q,
this is going back aways since i am an old fart. my dad's uncle raised yorkshires in the 50's for his brother the butcher. these were the good old hogs used for both meat and lard (and i can still remmber the cracklins)as i remember the meat was a little darker than the pork sold now but it had more "tooth" for lack of a better description.
i can still recall my job as if it was yesterday. i got to dehair the beast with a scraper. normally job wasn't bad but the last year i did it (around 1962) great uncle who was so old they only let him heat water got it too hot and set the darned bristles!!!!!!
i know it might not help much
but it sure was fun remembering Big Grin
jack
ps. there aint no finer ballon than a blown up pigs bladder Razzer
I hate to swim against the tide here, but I think the breed you're talking about is the Berkshire. The Berkshire is a hog that is high in fat, well marbled, big in flavor and sweet meat. Most of the hogs raised in the US are categorized as "meat type" which means that they have bred the fat and flavor out of the animals. Not so with the Berkshires.

The meat of the Berkshire is very popular in Japan and much of what's raised in the US is shipped there thus creating a high price for Berkshire pork.

Berkshire is the hog raised by mnhogfarmer. MN, if you read this thread please post the link to the market where your pork can be purchased. Thanks.

DB
Hi! I've been watching this topic for a couple days, digging through my files, preparing to type an essay. I could go miles on the subject, but because I'm a slow typest [Mrs. Clausen's 10th grade typing, 1969] I'll shorten it up.

There are 3 _shires I know of:

Hampshire: extremly lean, and slow growing. The packers love them, because they hate fat. Sometimes contain the "n" gene which can cause a purge of their moisture when frozen and thawed. I think this breed gave frozen pork a bad name and I have eliminated it from my herd.

Yorkshire: "The Mother Breed" is their motto. Long, friendly girls with a great personality. They milk like a Holstien, but unfortuanatly Holsteins are not the best for eating, and neither are Yorks.

I'm guessing the breed GuiyserQ read about is the Berkshire like TaktEZ thought. He is right on. Dark well marbeled meat is in high demand in Japan;

The top 1/3 is exported;
The middle 1/3 goes to restraunts;
Guess who gets the rest?

Berks are an old breed like most others. They are high in meat traits that consumers [not packers] want.

They are hard to raise. Short and fat, slow growing, poor conception, short heat cycle, small litters, and poor milkers. Their temprament is something else. They will do a summersault in the alley to avoid going forward. Really stressy, I'm amazed their meat is so good. No wonder they demand such a premium for their meat.

Right now I'm running a Chester White [sow] bred to a Berkshire. The Chesters are a great meat quility breed, but produce bigger litters,etc. Another old breed, they are gaining alot of popularity lately.

"We have to eat them to save them" is the motto of the heritage breeds.

I do have a herd of 24 purebred PEDIGREED Berksire sows [females] that I am breeding for myself, and the balance will go to my butchers company, Berkshire Meats,[ www.berkshiremeats.com ] They also supply the Berks for Lobells [ www.lobels.com ]in New York.

When we run out of our own meat for our catering business, we buy whole frozen shoulders from Bershire Meats, which only yeild 50% [perfect!] but are to die for.

Our website is: www.prairiepridebbq.com or www.prairiepridefarm.com .

Remember, what we have available right now is a Berkshire X Chester White cross.

I have found that if you start with a good product, it will be very forgiving, and you can get away with many shortcuts while cooking, like thawing first.

Oops! I've been typing over an hour. I didn't even mention the Ultimate ph, color scores,or drip loss scores that the Berkshire, Chester White and Durocs excell in.

Roger
Roger,

Great info. And thanks for the links as well. What yo said pretty much goes with what I recall in the article. In fact at the time, I was gonna post and ask you if the article was about you by any chance, but as time went by and the paper got pitched, I just let it go.

Obviously you think it is better quality hog, but do you think the different flavor would help or hinder in comp. cooking where everyone else is using IBP or other local non- berkshire?
I worry about using something that is not in the norm for competition.

I used our own homeraised broiler chickens in the MN BBQ contest. They aren't even in the same class as as a Tyson. With a different muscle texture [not mushy]they might seem tough to the judge.

I wonder what would happen if I turned in my crock-pot style Southwestern Pork? I got the recipe from a cook in a Mexican restraunt.

When I eat someone elses pork, it seems to have an "off" taste to me sometimes.

Roger
Roger - Nice post and nice looking operation. I got some Kurobuta pork earlier this year from Snake River Farms. It was very, very good. Are you selling pretty much the same thing with the Berks or are you selling only the Berks + Chesters combo?

Also, GQ had a good question. How does you're meat stand up in competition when most, I would guess, of the judges have taste buds sort of programmed for somthing else?
I think Hayward [Ribdoctor] said he bought some Berkshire pork for a contest, and I think he was happy with his results. We met Hayward at FE's first school last fall.

Fred, NPPC [Pork Board]are basically packer lackeys. The told us for years consumers demanded lean. BS! They want flavor. The packers don't want a fat hog.

On my last kill sheet from John Morrell, where I sell my leftover hogs, a lean [57%]250# hog brought $130; A fat [49%] brought $120.

If a farmer is going to get a lean premium like that, that's what they will produce. On 2000 hogs a year, that's an extra $20,000 towards profit.

Smokejacker, Thanks, and good to see another MN bbqer. I coach JO volleyball and bring my St. Clair girls down to National Volleyball Center in Rochester for tournaments. I used to play [and party] down there too in my younger days.

Roger

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