Well I hate to go around talking to myself as usual..but..I did find out TQ in standard old timey marinade does just fine to make it red in the middle. Just replaced the standard Salt ration with an equal amount of TQ. Not exactly food porn but am real proud that a nice cop is letting me put up a jerky display in his highly fun beer joint..another old pal gave me the rack. My normal size bag is three oz..but he wanted some smaller sizes so made him up 8 three oz bags 4 one oz bags. Supposed to take it over there tomorrow. Yall did not realize I was such an industrious entrepreneur huh? Let us pray for the health goons to stay away and folks to buy it. Thanks.