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good lord... I see those in my sleep! It's the main bone out of a pork butt! What would that make it... the bone of the upper arm (leg in the case of the pig), elbow to shoulder, in the front. Yes???? Razzer

My pooch salivates every time I carry one of those buggers from cutting board to trash with my tongs LOL! BTW< I should not give it to her, right? She'll break it to bits, I suspect. She gets a handful out of every butt anyway Cool It's good to be a dog.
Holy Moley!!! Now I am confused. I thought the butt and shoulder were the same chunk. My feeble understanding is this:

The shoulder, or butt, portion is the "upper arm" if you will from the front of the pig. And your picture is the main bone in that.

The picnic is the "lower arm" portion of that front leg.

The "fresh ham" is the whole big honker from the rear leg.

Is that right, Smokin??

And did you get my trip write up??
See WB, that's why we do these things.

A shoulder is a HUGE piece of meat, consisting of a Butt and a Picnic. The butt is the butt end of the shoulder (how's that for confusing).

Here's a photo of a full shoulder, about 12 to 14 lbs worth. In this photo, the butt would be the left end of this and the picnic to the right.

Howdy.

Average is like defining the population of military recruits,one size fits all.

Small market hogs seem to be going 240-280 lbs. and they tend to produce a butt between 5-6 lbs.

This is a pretty nice size, for cooking several for competition,because they are a little younger and the size finishes a little sooner- to be sure you have turn in on time.

If the producer can afford to hold them a little longer,they finish at about 320 lbs. and are more profitable.

These seem to produce butts between 7-8 lbs.

These are my preference for home cooking and are usually what is sent to the stores in a 2 pack in cryovac.

Older bearing sows[sausage sows],stags, and old boars may run 700 lbs. and can produce butts up to about 12-14 lbs.

Think older ,more dry,tough,etc.
Wink

Meat retailers tend to be able to sell four lb. trimmed roasts to the family cook,that will go home and braise them.

Ask any meat cutter, that is selling country style ribs on promo,if he has any 2 packs of butts in the cooler.

He should be willing to sell them at promotional rib prices,since he doesn't have the labor of trimming , slicing,and repackaging.

Hope this helps a little.
You kill it and I'll smoke it... Razzer

Listen, on another subject: I need to know if I can cure that pork belly in 1 cup of salt, 1 cup of sugar, 8 oz of molasses and 2 quarts of apple cider, plus 2 quarts water, for 3 days, like that recipe said. Also, I couldn't find cider, so I got apple juice. Did they mean cider vinegar??? I'm verging on frightened on this one. Flying blind.

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