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I ordered an Amerique in November and have had an interesting time of it. I hesitated to write about this, but perhaps other people might like to know.

Chapter 1: Large holes in shipping container, The shipping box did a good job of protecting the unit, despite it having several large holes in the cardboard upon arrival. My initial fright turned to glee when I unpackaged the unit..nothing was damaged.

Chapter 2: When I assembled the unit, one of the captive nuts for the casters was not "pressed" well enough and the caster bolt just spun in the threads and got stuck half way down. I got the caster out and then drilled out the hole to remove the "captive", pressed on nut. If you have ever drilled out something like this, it is very difficult because the nut spins in the hole with the drill bit. I perserved and won the day. Fortunately, I was able to secure the caster in the enlarged hole with a nut above and below the original mounting location. I called CookShack and they were very nice. They could not do anything about the nut, but I asked them to be aware of it and increase the pressure they use to mount the nut.

Chapter 3: I then stood the unit up and tried to put the drip pan in the rails on the bottom. The rails were too far apart so the pan fell out. I called CookShack, Tony told me to take a board and beat the rails together and adjust the fit. This actually worked, but I wound up bending the bottom of the unit to accomplish this. Beating did not work, the metal is too springy. I think the issue here is that the pan rails are welded on the bottom and then the bottom is probably welded to the box. The heat probably distorts the fit. Bending seemed to realign everything well. I was concerned about putting that much pressure on the metal, but there was not an issue. Tony assured me that there would not be a problem; he was correct.

Chapter 4: Then I started smoking......I started my first pork butt at midnight and for some reason woke up at 3:00AM in the morning to check it. (The BBQ angels must have woke me.) The display was off and the unit was not cooking. I jiggled things and started troubleshooting and finally got it working. It turns out later, that the new house that I have has an issue with a loose neutral wire in the GFCI. Easy to fix, but this points out an issue......if the smoker loses power even momentarily, the controller resets on power up and the unit shuts down. I live in the Boulder, Colorado area and unfortunately, we have power outages all of the time. I called CookShack (Tony) and suggested that they change the firmware in the controller. I would really like to see them emulate the dumb controllers in the other models after a power outage. Digital ain't lookin real good right now! I finally went to the web and found an inexpensive power monitor; I now plug it into the same circuit and run an extension cord with the monitor on it to a place where I can hear it when I am sleeping. I would rather an alarm wake me in the middle of the night than lose an expensive bunch of meat.

Chapter 5: Everything that I have smoked (butts and brisket) takes at least 17 hours at 225 to reach 190 degrees. Some have taken longer. Altitude...maybe? Yep, I have checked temps with independent thermometers. Suggestions? Called Tony, he suggested checking temps,thermostat... I did, looked good. My conclusion is that it's done when it is done and whoever is cooking pork butt in 12 hours is just blessed with faster karma. Mine does not seem to work that fast. I am considering cooking at 250 to bring the cook time down, but I have not seen anyone recommend 250 on this forum. (No. I do not open the door)

Chapter 6: I smoked a packer brisket and 2 pork butts last weekend. Again 225 cooking temp, probe set at 190; 3 other probes inserted in the meat also. Put it in at 10:40PM the night before..somewhere around 2:00 PM the next day, I happened to be checking the cooker and the probe temp went from 170 to 200 in about 1 minute, as I watched. Cooker shut off and went to hold as I watched, YIKES!!!!. All of the other probes registered 160 to 170. I started the cooker manually agin...reset the power..jiggled stuff...pulled the probe out of the jack..nothing..it still registered 200. I got a cup of hot water from the tap and put the cookshack probe in it in conjunction with another independent probe. The cookshack probe was 20 degrees higher; no amount of power off, jiggling, wiping, nothing would change this.. I finished the cooking in "Time" mode without the probe. Took over 18 hours to get to 190. I called Tony the next day...he told me to wipe off the probe. I did and restarted the cooker while he was on the phone. Everything was fine. This did not make sense, I had done much the same thing the day before. Went to the forum and read that having an Amerique in the sun while it is cooking can cause the electronics to go haywire. Mine seemed to work except for the probe...I am puzzled.....and I ain't impressed with the digital thingy. I should say that I have a Master's Degree In Electrical Engineering so I tend to take an engineering approach to problem solving.

I love the cooker, I love the product it produces, I love the ease of use.

I think mine might have been made on a Monday..or a Friday afternoon..or somehow I have offended the BBQ goddess.

I do not want to discourage any buyers, CookShack is great, Tony is great, but this has been challenging.

A final thought: Cook times are longer than anything in the book. 20 hours is not unusual for a butt or a brisket.

The End of the Story: I have come to some conclusions for my problems: I an going to crank up the temp to 250 , get a generator, build a covered porch and put my bed next to the cooker.

And they all lived happily ever after!



Any comments/suggestions?
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Wow, I would be frustrated beyond tears if I were you. First of all you have the right to return your unit w/in 30 days of delivery if not completely satisified. I dont own an AQ so therefore I have no expierence w/said unit.
I would send the same comment you posted here to Donna at Cookshack. Here email is here where she posts on the forum.
Good Luck and let us know how things turn out.

Mike
WJR-

I'm sorry to hear the extent of your problems. You're taking the right approach and working with the folks at Cookshack. They'll make it right.

One thing to consider on the long cook times is which shelf you use. Because the oven sensor is mounted low, there is a 10 to 20 degree difference at the upper shelves. Therefore, the 225 that the unit is set for may ony be 205 or so at the top shelf. Best advice is to measure the temp at each shelf level for reference, then you can factor it in when setting the oven temp.

Good luck with your AQ. I've had mine about a month now and I'm getting better with it each time out. I'm doing my first turkey tomorrow.

Matt
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I should say that I have a Master's Degree In Electrical Engineering so I tend to take an engineering approach to problem solving


I'd already figured that out from the detailed description Big Grin

Well, things happen.

FYI, I recommend a lot of times doing butts at 250. Won't be an issue.

If you're having power outages, I'd complain to the power company. Those same outages will affect all the electricals running. I did and the local electric company came out, tested the line and within a month, they're fixed the problem. No outages since then.

Certainly keep the feedback up on the unit. CS prefers the personal contact and you did persevere, so you did good.

Good luck on the Q'in and welcome!
Not to add fuel to the fire but one reason I bought my 055 instead of the AQ was an uneasy feeling about probes. If the temp probes that we all know and love can go so bad very quickly (I probably have 5 dead ones here after two years of cooking) how can CS come up with a much better probe? Undoubtedly it can be done since the cheap probes from Polder and Taylor aren't quality issue by any means. But I think I'd rather go with the manual 55 instead of all the fancy stuff....
Just a thought for you about a work around for your power issue. Get a server class UPS to go between the wall outlet and the Amerique. If you size it correctly, you should be able to maintain the power for a number of minutes in case of a little power hic-up. The nice thing is most of those APC units have a nice little alarm built into them.
WJR,

I know about your problems with the probe. I cured mine by spraying contact cleaner in the probe receiving hole and running the probe up and down the receiver a few times, while the AmeriQue is unplugged. I clean it every other use or so. I also, make sure the screen is facing away from the sun or the smoker is under the porch umbrella - it's hot here in Florida.

Second, we had installed a 15K standby generator for our home here on this island - not for the AmeriQue but for land line power loss during the frequent hurricanes. However! The generator Autostart leaves us without electricity for 21 seconds during the shift over and I know to re-set the AmeriQue, under generator power, whenever we get frequent outages usually caused for no understandable reason.

Like you mentioned, the smoke/BBQ setting should have a memory and it would be a good addition to the electronics. Our bread machine has bread settings that holds up to 45 minutes after an outage and they are not expensive. A firmware update could easily add a 15-20 minute hold for a restart and not jeopardize the meat or fish. In all fairness, any change to the electronics would require a number of UL and other approvals and I don't look for any changes in the near future, but your thought is a good idea that should be considered.

smokemullet
Thanks for the repies. I thought about a UPS, but we only have momentary glitches..my point was that the unit should not shut down, it should come back up at a reasonable cooking temp since the power switch is on. It is a firmware change and probably a paper qual for a re-cert for UL.

I have decided that since I do not have a covered porch, I am going to have to move the smoking operatiion inside to my gargage and cobble up a vent (I do not want my car smelling like dinner, I will weigh 500 pounds). It was only about 60 degrees here when I had the problem, but the sun is very hot and the unit was very hot to the touch (Colorado sun, 5000+ feet). The electronics don't appear to be able to stand that kind of temperature. It is not an inside unit, but it certainly is not an outside unit. The perfect place is under a porch out of the sun and weather. Also, I read a post that said other owners have experienced problems having the AQ out in the direct sun and heat. I have only seen the one reference, I assume from it that there were other owners experiencing the same problem. Does anyone know of other posts about this?

If I continue to have problems with the probe, I may change the probe receptacle to a gold plated one, If I can find one. There is almost no current flowing through the connection to keep it clean. I wouldn't think that it would corrode that fast and form an insulating film. I hope that keeping the unit in the shade solved the problem. I may have a marginal, intermittent controller which is tough to prove and get replaced under a warranty. I am trying to explain the anomalies to myself and come up with resolutions that I can live with.

Anyway, thanks for the replies, I appreciate it.
As far as the display goes, any LCD display will fade out or turn black in direct sunlight. Usually when they cool, they will be fine. I would suggest using an umbrella or at least shielding the display with a piece of cardboard or something. The direct sun will not affect the amerique's cooking ability. As far as the probe goes, I had trouble with mine also. I found my problem was the ground wire at the probe jack was shorting to the tip of the plug whenever the plug was inserted. Mine would not work unless I pulled the plug part way out, and sometimes would read an incorrect temperature. I posted this under Amerique Probe Problems. Good Luck!!
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Originally posted by Gregor:
As far as the display goes, any LCD display will fade out or turn black in direct sunlight. Usually when they cool, they will be fine. I would suggest using an umbrella or at least shielding the display with a piece of cardboard or something. The direct sun will not affect the amerique's cooking ability. As far as the probe goes, I had trouble with mine also. I found my problem was the ground wire at the probe jack was shorting to the tip of the plug whenever the plug was inserted. Mine would not work unless I pulled the plug part way out, and sometimes would read an incorrect temperature. I posted this under Amerique Probe Problems. Good Luck!!


Thanks for the reply. The LCD was working fine, the temperature on the probe suddenly went from about 166 to 200 in less than a minute without anyone touching it. I am not sure if it is the probe or the electronics. I have completed about 8 smokes so far, and this is the first time I have had this kind of problem. If it was a wire touching, I think this would have happened when I was inserting or removing the probe. When I have time, I will remove the back and check this out. I have tried jiggling the probe and moving it in or out and the false reading remained. The probe started working again the next day when the unit was cold.
Hi Everyone,

First I must apologize to WJR for the problems that he has had with his unit.

We have had a few problems with the jack that we use for the probe, the problem that we have seen is exactly what Gregor describes, if you continue to have problems with it I would suggest replacing the jack.

The controllers going blank in the sun is one that we can not fix without going to a completely different control. In our R&D testing of the units we never saw this problem, however the display is only good to 60 degrees C, so when the units sit out in the sun I have seen this problem, we are looking at some displays that can with stand higher heat. We recommend setting the units in shade.

We have had several complaints about the cooking times on the A/Q. Our goal in designing any unit is to put the least amount of wattage a possible into the unit and still cook food in a timely manner. It seems that the 750 watt element is fine as long as you have good power and low humidity, however we are finding that if you run below 120 volts or in high humidity areas that element has a hard time over coming these issues. We are currently testing some higher wattage elements and will probably end up going with a higher wattage, this does have some downsides to it as the higher the wattage the more chance you have of drying out the bottom grill.

I hope this helps,
Stuart
To everyone on this site, Cookshack really does treat it's customers well. Stuart called me and we had a great conversation; he is working with me to resolve all of my issues, I could not ask for a better response. I believe I am close to fixing my issues and if I am not, I am confident that with patience and Stuart's help, I will.


Bill

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