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Hey Derek,
the few butts i have previously cooked, i took to 190* and they were ok but not as tender as i would like. read smokin okie's tips to take to 205 and it was much better and well worth the wait. i will take them all to 205* from now on.
160* would be way to tough in my opinion but i'm a newbie. i'd think you would have to slice it at that temp or pull with a forklift.

justin
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Originally posted by Derek:
Everthing I read says to take the internal to 195. I was talking to some guys from North Carolina and Wisconsin and they said 195 is way to hot. They pull it at 145. Then it continues to cook to 160. That seems pretty low to me. Any thoughts?


Well, he's wrong, how's that for an answer.

I wouldn't even pull them at 160 if I was slicing. They haven't hit the plateau at that temp and haven't released the fat/collagen.

Slicing I go for 185 or so
Pulling I start at 195 and test.
quote:
Originally posted by Derek:
Everthing I read says to take the internal to 195. I was talking to some guys from North Carolina and Wisconsin and they said 195 is way to hot. They pull it at 145. Then it continues to cook to 160. That seems pretty low to me. Any thoughts?

Everything you read is right. Everything told to you by those guys is wrong. Simple as that!
If the guys were restaurant people and knew what they were talking about,there is some reasoning-if you are not seeking quality.

Some places in the NC area cook whole hog.

Their feeling can be that cooking it to 160º takes less time and doesn't render much,so they get higher yield which equals more weight equals more $$$.

There is less labor time,fuel,turnaround,etc.

The have a machine from Hobart called a buffalo chopper that can eat concrete blocks.

They can run meat,fat,skin,innards,tail and the squeal through "the buffalo" and it comes out like small pieces of flat toothpicks.

It then goes into sheet metal pans with about 4 inch sides,about 3 X 4 feet.

It is salted and wet down with a vinegar,water,pepper sauce that helps hide the fatty taste/mouth feel.

It is then served at the buffet,or sold by the lb.

No,I'm not saying all restaurants there do this,or that it produces a product of the quality of "pulled" pork.

Other areas in the South,cook to that temp,debone the meat with boning knives,and finely chop with two meat cleavers.

The Fl market has several chains,serviced by large companies that produce well known high volume gas cookers[some are steamers].

They cook butts,or collars,to that doneness and then thin slice the pork and serve fat and all,like a pork loin roast. Eeker

Once again,higher yield,less time,more dollars.

My best bet is like stated above"they know not of what they speak". Wink
What we have here is a failure to communicate!


Those guys MUST have thought you meant PULL as in remove from the cooker. Although I wouldn't take it off at 145....ever. 160 was the key temp they mentioned.


What they did once the pig gets to 160 is CHOP the meat. It's common practice here in NC to chop at 160 degrees. Yields are high and cook times are much shorter as well as keeping a lighter smoke flavor that is well thought of when a vinegar sauce is used.

I'm not that big of a fan relatively speaking.....but it still eats good with slaw and a bun. Big Grin
I grew up in a little town called Lexington in the 50's and worked in several of the joints as well as ate at all the joints in the area. I don't recall a temp gauge ever being used. The pit boss just pushed on the meat and determined which to move to the hold area and which to continue cooking. Several years ago, I was in the area on a business trip and participated in a well know BBQ contest and took 1st pork. I can assure you, it was pulled at about 200 degrees F. and then pulled, mixed with a bit of rub and apple juice (no vinegar).

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